OT: Marine diesel engine smoking.

Sep 04, 2009 28 Replies

A story I oft repeat albeit it takes some time to tell it. A friend's son came of driving age and bought a Fiat Uno turbo. Perhaps a bit rapid for a beginner and sure enough it wasn't long before he stuffed it into a tree/lamppost or other similar immoveable object, I forget which, as is the wont of teenage boys. So they bought another and I got a call saying this one won't pull the skin off a rice pudding. Not just a bit slow but terminally slow like 50% down on power and struggles to do more than about

70 mph. "Must be the turbo knackered" says my mate - what do I think?

I say I think you start by checking the basics - comp test, cam timing, ignition timing and work from there.

"Nah" he opines, "it's far too serious a loss of power for anything basic to be the cause" and for a while I hear no more. Turns out they went along to a Fiat dealer and asked how much a new turbo was, got told, fell over in shock, decided there had to be a better way and started swapping everything from the good engine in the wrecked car over to the new one.

A couple of weeks go by and they've swapped all the ignition bits. Coil, plugs, leads etc with no improvement. He asks what I think. I say I think you start by checking the basics - comp test, cam timing, ignition timing and work from there. He ignores my advice.

A couple more weeks go by and they've swapped all the fueling items over. Inlet manifold, injectors, fuel pump, various sensors, ecu. No improvement. He asks what I think. I say I think you start by checking the basics - comp test, cam timing, ignition timing and work from there. He ignores my advice.

A couple more weeks go by and I get a very irate phonecall from a mate with badly skinned knuckles who's just spent the entire weekend trying to get the turbo, exhaust manifold and associated pipework off the old engine and onto the new one. "You need to be a bleedin' double jointed octopus to get any of the bastard thing undone" he rants. Anyway they finally managed it but with no improvement and by now stratospheric levels of fatigue and frustration. He asks what I think. I say I think you start by checking the basics - comp test, cam timing, ignition timing and work from there.

A couple more weeks go by and I get a very contrite phonecall from a mate who having wasted every weekend for the last two months with his son swapping every possible component over to the new engine with no change in performance finally gets round to checking the basics. The cam timing is several teeth out. Either it slipped or some numpty got it wrong when they last changed the cam belt. With that fixed it goes just as well as the old engine. Nothing was ever wrong with the turbo or any other part of it. They could have fixed it on the first day with a modicum of common sense and some heed to my good advice.

That advice is as it's always been. Never assume, presume or prejudge what is causing a fault. Be methodical, logical, careful, measure everything and start by checking the BLOODY BASICS.

seen it dozens of times, one that leaps to mind: nova sri towed to me running badly. No story given, but 'it just started to run badly', it was on three and sounded very weary. I noticed a shiny bit down low: new water pump, I checked the cam timing: one tooth retarded, retimed it, ran much better but still on three, checked for compression fearing a bent valve, but good compression, scratched head for a minute and stared at the engine bay: the injector connection was crooked, clipped it back on and voila. gave them a large bill for stupidity and not telling the truth.

Ignore Roger, he is a prized tosser who morphs from time to time, once he was Ian for a while then Clive. As it happens, a marine engine could run on Red or Green(that is the Irish version of red isn't it) Diesel, because it isn't a road vehicle and doesn't need to pay road fuel duty.

The difference between normal and red diesel is a dye is added to show that no duty has been paid. So if the ministry dip the tank of a diesel, and the dipper comes up with red in/on it, you haven't paid your duty as a road fuel user.

Actually that's not strictly true, you can sell red diesel with a lower luricity than road fuel, but it won't make a blind bit of difference to a marine/industrial diesel & using road fuel won't reduce ther smoke.

In message , Duncan Wood writes

What about those 'converted' Ford Cargo engines that are popular in boats down in Cornwall?

Would still work fine, as enough people get caught each year running red in their cars and vans to show it doesn't do much damage.

There's a reason they're popular, they really won't give a monkeys. Apartb from anything else the change is far more recent than their design.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember "Roger" saying something like:

Utter c*ck.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember T i m saying something like:

Three cylinders, three heads - sounds like a Lister. The did watercooled versions of the HR3 and ST3, I unrecall what they were, though. In any case, Listers (if that's what it is) are a POP to work on and spares are readily available.

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