Potential Fiat gearbox screw up

Oct 27, 2006 8 Replies

Advice please. Fiat Marea 1.9 JTD 2001.



I was replacing the near side suspension arm, and the drive shaft pulled out of the gearbox by about 1/2". Pushed back in OK.



Now the big question. Looking at the parts manual, the drive shaft on that side has a "retaining clip" in the inner end, inside the final drive housing. If the clip was fitted, it may well have come of when the shaft was partially withdrawn. Depending what it is, it could potentially end up mashed between the diff gears.



At the moment, I can jack up that side and spin the wheel (so all the diff gear bits are turning), and no problems.



Any thoughts on my next move. Hope for the best or take the 'box out & strip (or get stripped).



Nightmare.



The 'retaining clip' is just a snap ring. For it to come of the shaft (even if broken) would require the shaft to be pulled far enough out to allow the end of the shaft to completely disengage with the internal splines in the gearbox. And given you only pulled it out 1/2", the clip should still be where it's meant to be.

Bah. What is it with the nightmare of Fiats eh? I am seriously thinking of ditching my partners 60S and having 2 Skodas :o) They're great.

Although most of my troubles seem to be on the cooling end. The engine, at

60k it still seamingly ok.

Good luck on the gearbox - way beyond my level of understanding.

In message , M Cuthill writes

I do hope you're right. Can you fill me in on what a snap ring is please. Were talking just a wire ring right? (googling right now) You're suggesting it'll stay on the shaft even as its withdrawn through the splines on the diff output gear, and snap back into place when the shaft is pushed back in?

Fingers well crossed.

Cheers

In message , Steven Briggs writes

Now I'm applying cold hard engineering logic to this. Which is a little dangerous on something designed by Italians ;-)

1) If the retainer was meant to be positive and thus a circlip or similar, there's no way the shaft would be able to be pulled out. I don't know how much axial force I applied while jacking up the hub to get the new sus arm in, but unrestrained it naturally drifted outwards. The sound of dripping oil at this point was a definite "oh f***" moment! (

that's right, but some drive shafts don't have them, as the force of the suspension pushing against the shaft holds in it place.

some shafts just "flop" out and if your not quick enough you loose gearbox oil others are a right pig to get out, you have to use a pry bar between the inner joint and the box to force it out.

Not according to the full Fiat manual it doesn't. The 2001 JTD use the same as the std 1.4 Fiat. There is a circlip at the gearbox end but it is inside the inner CV housing. Thes are sods to remove normally and there is no problem unless you slide hammered it out of the box. Even if it was broken it could not enter the gearbox, only interfere with the inner CV joint. If you are really worried, I could send you the manual bits somehow I guess. But in my opinion ( I am a 'proper' Mechanical Engineer) there is nothing to worry about. Hope this helps Dave

Thanks everyone. Panic & paranoia now over, everything seems to OK.

Now just quick MOT retest and job's a good 'un.

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