Re: NEVER BUY WALMART'S BATTERIES OR YOU WILL BE SORRY

Unlikely? I'll bet you won't try this tomorrow: Go to a parking lot. Get your car going 20 mph, then put every ounce of your energy into slamming on the brakes. Use both feet. Come back & tell us how it felt. Better yet, have hubby cut a piece of wood that covers the steering wheel. Hold that there when you hit the brakes. Make sure your glasses are off.

"JoeSpareBedroom" ...

Thanks, but I have other plans.

A controlled experiment doesn't count as a viable statistics. That's like saying, "I think I'll go jump off the roof to see if I break any bones."

I'm talking odds, not cause and effect.

Natalie

Okay, so tell us, then: Where *have* you been, and what

*have* you learned?

Can't tell us? Or if you did, you'd have to kill us? Then you forfeit the debate. Sorry, but that's just how the world works. Life's a bitch and then you die...

Geoff

-- "If it rains after a liberal washes his car, they say it's a right-wing dirty trick." -- Ann Coulter

Folks, please use your text editors to delete all but the most strictly relevant quoted text from your followups, okay? The idea isn't to include the whole thread in its entirety in each and every post.

This thing of having to scroll through two or three screensful of quoted material in order to get to what the current poster is saying is absurd. Like dimming your high beams in the face of oncoming traffic, it's something that, one would think, nobody would need to be told about, because it affects them too.

Geoff

-- "If it rains after a liberal washes his car, they say it's a right-wing dirty trick." -- Ann Coulter

Geoff, CTRL-END is your friend.

Irrelevant, Geoff. Are you saying that because you've never seen something, it doesn't exist?

Oh, how spot on you are Geoff. I get so sick and tired of the liberal's whines and rants about the fault of "Big Oil", "Big Steel", "Big Automotive", "Big Government" (of course, this one only applies when Conservatives are the government. Totally different when it is a givernment of Big Liberals), ad nauseum! I wonder why you never hear them complain and blame "Big Labor", "Big Environmentalism", or "Big Liberalism". I guess the answer lies in their arrogance of they know what is best for us all because they are so much more cognizant, aware, and intelligent than the poor Conservatives (who are all rednecks, hillbillies, farmers, etc.). Got to get off this soap box. Sorry!

DaveD

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He has been to Taiwan....well he said so but could not offer simple easily obtained citation.

He said he uses dope....which is probably true.

Other than that...he lives in a small uninteresting world.

On 10/19/2007 7:52 PM Chip spake these words of knowledge:

First, when the original article states that any given person has a 1 in

88 chance of dying due to a car crash, it does mean, specifically, that 1 in 88 people will die due to a car crash. No difference, when you are talking about statistical probabilities.

.0002 is (roughly) the ratio. Expressed as a percentage, the figure is

100 times that size - .02255%, in fact. You made the most common error when trying to express your figure as a percentage. More to the point, your number represents a per annum figure rather than an estimate over the average lifetime of the average driver; for example, if the average driver drives for an average of 40 years, and we posited that the ratio of deaths to the number of drivers did not significantly change, you would multiply that single annual figure by 40 to get the number representing what any given person's lifetime chance of dying in a car crash is. In my example, that number is .90229% - very nearly 1%, or 1 out of 100. If the average driver drove 50 years, the percentage is 1.1278; the chance of dying is 1 out of 88.66.

I'm not trying to argue the originator's point, only fix your math misperceptions.

RFT!!! Dave Kelsen

43,000 or so have died annually in auto related accidents in 2005 and 2006, you do the math.

Here is a more alarming static. Far more young men, between the ages of 18 and 25, have been murdered in US cities, then have been killed in our war with the radical Islamic terrorist around the world, since 9/11 2001

mike

[people are including too much quoted text in their posts]

That places the onus unfairly on the reader.

My not using CTRL-END isn't the problem. People including too much quoted text in their followups is the problem. It's the "root cause," as liberals would say.

Geoff

-- "If it rains after a liberal washes his car, they say it's a right-wing dirty trick." -- Ann Coulter

Well, then I think your best course of action would be to fret about until your stomach hurts.

[to Natalie]

: Okay, so tell us, then: Where *have* you been, and what : *have* you learned?

: Can't tell us? Or if you did, you'd have to kill us? : Then you forfeit the debate. Sorry, but that's just : how the world works. Life's a bitch and then you die...

I'm saying nothing of the sort. You hinted that there was a basis for your assertion. I'm asking you to let the other shoe drop and tell us what that basis is. It wasn't I who raised the issue; it was you.

Geoff

-- "If it rains after a liberal washes his car, they say it's a right-wing dirty trick." -- Ann Coulter

Let's take this a step at a time, just to piss you off: Do you doubt that such a skill exists to begin with? Notice that I did not assign this skill to any particular person. I'm asking if you believe that the skill exists, independent of its "owner".

I hardly consider the poor manners of others to be fretworthy. Especially when I come off looking so much better than they fo.

Geoff

-- "If it rains after a liberal washes his car, they say it's a right-wing dirty trick." -- Ann Coulter

Nope, can't be. If so, it would mean that 3,409,090 would die in car crashes.

On 10/20/2007 2:56 PM Larry in AZ spake these words of knowledge:

Let me say this again; try reading it slowly. It's not per annum; it's lifetime. At 43 thousand a year, your number of deaths would happen in under 80 years. (Even for your usage, your number is wrong, because it's based on the entire population rather than the driving population. But it would still happen.)

Rather than say, "Nope, can't be", perhaps you will provide some basis for why it can't be.

(Hint: you need a basic understanding of mathematics to participate meaningfully in the discussion.)

RFT!!! Dave Kelsen

Good luck with that expectation, Dave.

How often have you heard this? (Paraphrased and interpreted) "Iraq ain't so bad. More people are killed in traffic accidents every year".

Pass the ammo.

There are a lot of people burning old batteries to recover the lead, selling at about $1.80 @ Lbs now. A friend has a tire shop in the Sacramento Valley and is getting calls from foreign-sounding people representing themselves as school charity fundraisers looking for old tire weights and batteries. He is going to set some up for a date with the Sheriff. it isn't worth it for me to try and recover the lead in the 6 or so dead batteries I have here, they will get dropped off at a local parts store for proper recycling.