Anyone know what the start date is going to be for 2008 Model Year
production at Mercedes?
Deliberating on European Delivery; on their website, MB calls for a
minimum of a 4 month leadtime.
This would put a car ordered today to be ready at the factory at the
end of September. Oddly enough, the website's still showing 2007
Model Year products on this option.
Which makes sense; thanks.
FWIW, I was looking for the info on the context of a new C and if
they're going to bring a diesel (blutech) over to the USA; found a
reference that suggestted that the MY08 C-Class isn't going to debut
until March 08 and that the current motor lineup includes two Euro
diesels, but no blutech configuration suitable for the US market.
Just searched on that phrase...found this URL, which I assume was what
you were referring to:
More interesting reading; thanks.
The better of which gets barely 25mpg on EPA Highway on premium gas,
while the CDI motor (not that they're bringing it to the USA, nor is
it a Bluetech) gets the equivalent of 40mpg on cheaper fuel.
At current prices of $3.50 , 50K miles will burn $7K ,
or roughly $3K less fuel.
I still miss my Scirocco, which used to be able to get 35mpg on a
highway run :-)
Makes sense, although I'm still at a loss a to why the European
Delivery Program is currently way out on fall (Sept/Oct) dates, yet
still only showing MY2007 C-Class vehcles on their list:
True. Overall, a diesel should be less expensive per mile than gas
or a hybrid, so long as you faithfully budget the cost-amortization on
the battery pack. I've not seen any good recent numbers on this, but
Toyota had claimed that the battery pack in the Prius represented an
additional 3 cents per mile expense. With this expense included, the
cost per mile of this hybrid fell in line (or worse than) the cost of
running a diesel.
Granted, such operating costs aren't necessarily all that high on the
priority list of buyers of a luxury car, but if you're trying to
reduce your Carbon footprint, it can be a consideration.
C&D mentions that there's a $1K difference in MSRP between the two,
and the EPA's are 27/37 for the Bluetec, vs. 19/26 for the E350.
Believing these to be correct and rounding off to a difference to be
9mpg (26 vs 35), and then using current fuel prices as per:
The national average for premium is $3.522, whereas diesel is $2.911
The "Miles to Payback" for the $1000 option would be:
= $1000 / [ ($3.522/26mpg) - ($2.911/35mpg) ]
= 19,124 miles
For your generic average driver, that's only 18 months until break-
Varies by time and region. A year ago, here in the Atlanta area,
diesel was more expensive than premium; a month ago, about the same as
premium. Now it's about 20 cents cheaper. (And remember, only the new
ultra-low-sulfur diesel can be used -- an average might be
Car & Driver got 34 for the diesel and 26 for the E350 (which was
almost a full second quicker to 60, BTW). They say, "And even with
the fuel-economy figures from our experience, you would have to drive
49,000 miles to recoup the cost of the diesel over the gasoline,
considering average fuel costs at the time of this writing of $2.43 a
gallon for diesel and $2.39 for premium gasoline."
FWIW, the cost of a new battery on a Prius is $8000 which at $0.03/mile
would have to last for 267,000 miles. I don't think so. That doesn't
include indirect costs of disposing the old battery which could well
wind up being passed on the consumer as well.
Agreed. My recollection of the $0.03/mi statement from Toyota was
that it was from roughly when the Prius was first introduced; I think
it was based on a supposed $3000 replacement cost and 100,000 mile
Better yet, it will get hit upon the 2nd or 3rd owner, who paid top
dollar for his used car without being aware of this hidden "gotcha".
The best thing to have done with a Prius is to buy it new and drive it
for 2-3 years.
I suppose it's all relative. I just picked up a '92 300D in basically
decent shape but it needed a driveline rebuild and the injector pump was
pretty leaky. Not cheap repairs either but it still crunches out on the
Nor does it include the cost in $ or lives of the cobalt in the battery,
most of which comes from the old 'Belgian' Congo, one of the most
oppressive regimes on earth, nor does it include the $ and human cost of
the rare earth metals in the battery, most of which comes from China
_the_ most oppressive regime on earth.
not 100% holy, either
In Germany the E320CDI is 400 euros less expensive than the E350, should be
similar in the US if diesels were equally common.
The acceleration figures are 6.8 seconds, 0-100 km/h for the E320CDI and 6.9
for the 350.
US versions often have a different rear differential ratio which could
affect the acceleration figures but should not make one a lot better while
the other one would not improve about equally.
Top speed is limited to 250 km/h on both cars.
Average mileage 7,3 to 7,6 for the E320CDI and 9,7 to 10,2 for the E350.
While diesel is normally significantly less than petrol/gas, I don't see it
difficult to prefer one over the other.
I think in the US there a special fixation on MY. No doubt a legacy from
the days of the US manufacturer making some changes every year to encourage
people to buy more.
I would have thought that manufacturers issue their mods when they feel like
it or have something to add, not every year, calling a 2007 car a 2008 one
just because some screw design was changed in late 2007. There might be
continuous improvement and perhaps it makes sense to modify the assembly
line during a shutdown.
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To a great degree, it is US marketing. I recall that some European
manufacturers have ended up with "half year" models, which you usually
only learn about years later, when you go to get a new muffler or
There are running design changes at times, although frequently limited
to component-based items, which doesn't require any significant change
to the production line. Sometimes these are more visible as "Limited
Edition" versions, which VW does frequently with their Wolfsberg
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