Idle-Problem From Hell -- SOLVED!

I hope you remember the story. (If not, you can refresh your memory below.) You will NOT believe what the cause of the problem was! You know those two little screws that attach the ignition module to the distributor, they take a Torx wrench to tighten/loosen? The one closest to my thermostat housing had worked its way lose. How, why I don't know. While hunting/searching, again, all my vacuum lines for leaks, I just happened to notice the little screw lying in the [screw's] deep mounting hole in the ignition module. The screw was blocked from completely falling out because the end of it would bump into the thermostat housing. I twisted the distributor around and tightened the screw, not knowing what effect it would have on the car. Then took the car for a little test drive afterwards and the idle problem didn't appear, and it has been a couple weeks now and the car has run perfectly -- not a single hiccup in the idle. Just a coincidence? At this point, I'd bet the house it's not.

Okay, now who's going to claim these screws being loose was their second guess? :-)

Patrick

Patient: > > 1993 Cobra/125,000 miles -- stock except: shorty headers, advanced > timing, 73mm C&L mass-air meter and an A9L processor. > > This combo ran solid for a number of years and the symptoms suddenly > -- no mods or changes were made -- just appeared. > > The symptoms have gone on now for about 1 1/2 years. > > The frequency of the symptoms has slowly increased from maybe once a > week to almost every day. But despite the symptoms, the car performs > well without any popping, missing, stalling, gassy smells, or smoking. > ----- > > Symptoms: > > Reved-up idle. Sometimes. Some days, the car will run fine all day > long, or for a couple days. Other days, the reved-up idle will > continue to happen. > > Idle speed varies, but generally sticks -- doesn't roll -- somewhere > between 1600-2200 rpms. Never goes above 2200. > > Generally, I get the reved-up idle a few minutes -- 3-4 minutes -- > after a cold start AND after I dip into the throttle a little bit. > > But frequently I get the reved-up idle when/after the motor is fully > warmed up. > > Miles and miles of driving -- 20-30 -- even at highway speeds, often, > won't alter the reved-up idle. > > Running the car hard, even really hard, doesn't change the idle (if > anything, it often makes it go higher up in the 1600-2200 range). > > Normally, running the car hard will trigger the reved-up idle. > ----- > > Complications: > > Shutting the car off and restarting _always_ fixes the idle, at least > for a while. > > No codes have _ever_ popped up in the computer. > > Sometimes the idle will just fix itself while driving. > > And a few times _while reved up_ I've had it just fall to the normal > idle speed and stay there. And a few times, after falling to a normal > idle, I've had it return to the reved-up idle -- like someone is > controlling it by remote. > > A scan tool was run once while the idle was reved up and, for some > unknown reason, the reved-up idle didn't return for nearly 4 > months. Also, a few minutes _after_ the [scan] tool was > _unplugged_, the idle dropped to normal and then a few minutes later > it reved back up. Coincidence? My mechanic, and he's extremely good, > was at a loss, but thought the processor might have some issues. > (Note: My mechanic drive my car home that night and the car ran > PERFECT for him. It's about a 40-mile loop for him to drive to and > from work.) > ----- > > Recent developments: > > A few weeks ago, I noticed on two occasions, a missing while driving/ > cruising at highway speeds. The missing has since gone away. > > Also, after a cold start leaving work one day, a few weeks ago, the > idle went below the normal idle speed and the car acted like it was > going to stall. After a few minutes of driving the problem went away > and hasn't returned since. > ----- > > Treatments used so far, in this sequence: > > 1) Fuel filter > > 2) New TPS > > 3) New Air-Idle Control valve > > 4) New Mass-Air sensor (the actual sensor unit in the mass-air meter) > > 5) New A9L Processor > > Each treatment was used independently, but nothing has helped/worked. > ----- > > Besides a gun, does anyone know of a cure? > > Patrick
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NoOption5L
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Reply to
Michael Johnson

So that's their purpose? Do you think it could have caused the ignition module any damage... do you think it would be worth replacing now?

Patrick

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NoOption5L

Reply to
Al Lergy

Pfffff, I knew it the whole time. I was just waiting to see if you could find it yourself....

Reply to
WindsorFox

I thought about that after reading, it may have limited the life some but if it seems to work now don't worry about it. Just keep it in mind, because if that symptom returns mysteriously at a later point and neither screw is loose, you probably need to replace it at that point.

Reply to
WindsorFox

It probably didn't help it any. I would buy one and keep it in the car with some tools to replace it. When mine went out it died instantly and the car was stone cold dead until it was replaced.

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Michael Johnson

I do. I have ever since the one on the 88 Marquis died that way. Went out to leave and no start. I keep a module and the little special tool from one of the catalog vendors to change it. I remember he said torx but on the 88 Merc and on my 89 Mustang it's a hex head screw and you almost have to have this tool or a modified nut driver to get them.

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WindsorFox

You're correct. It is a hex head. And I already have the special tool. I bought it after the ignition module went out in my ol' 5-oh LX.

Patrick

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NoOption5L

where do you get the special tool? or can you make one ?

Reply to
Al Lergy

I got mine at 5.0 resto

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WindsorFox

I purchased mine from some auto parts store years ago. The hex head is just long enough to reach into the ignition module hole, and it's attached to a fat little wheel with finger grip edges, then a short narrower 6-sided portion you can use a wrench on, and that tapers down to a torx hole at the end. Total length is about 2 inches. It's slick! Whoever designed it, did their homework.

Patrick

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NoOption5L

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