Hydraulics..Help needed fast

Saab is '92 9000S sedan About a year ago I found myself out of town (200 miles from home) my clutch pedal flat on the floor.we were on holiday. Not a Saab dealer in site. I had the car towed to the nearest licensed mechanic who told me that either the clutch master cylinder or its slave cylinder had faied and that if it were the slave being inside the cluch housing that it was much more labor intensive and therefore much, much more expensive.

I rented a car, got home and a day and a half later was told that yes indeed it was the slave.

I authorized the repair and picked up the car three days later and became $800US poorer.

He told me that as a matter of course he had replace the plate and the bearing and machined the fly wheel leading me to believe that i had about

40k miles in which I would not have to think "clutch. About a year and 9k miles later, I left on a straigth through trip of about 600 miles. It is all limited access highway and I cruised non stop except once at 400 miles for gas to the end of a toll road at about 500 miles out clutching down as I approached the booths, my clutch pedal was on the floor. Doing some undescribable contortions I pulled it up and surprisingly continued normally to the end of my journey.

Evrything went normally for about a day of "suburban driving. And the, leaving my hosts house one morning, the clutch was or went to the floor and no presuasion would re-establish clutching so I had it towed to a repairer who had done wok for me several years before who could find nothing wrong but said that my clutch hydraulic fluid was low and he filled it and sent me on my way. I would say about four oz. (125ml) of fluid leaked overnight onto the road infront of my hosts. Perhaps an overfill I thought.

I drove home without further repair or incident..600 miles approx.

I drove around town a little. One day last week I was down town--much braking, shifting and accelerating. Shifting became difficult and, very surprisingly, My brakes begain to lose effect and the "BRAKE FLUID" light came on. I made it home. I parked in my drive.

Next day thing seemed back to normal but after a short run the same effects occurred and I made it home, just. An hour later. The clutch pedal went to the floor and stayed there. I pulled it up and it went down with my foot and stayed there.

My drive is on a slope therefore the gears were under pressure and I could not shift anything.

I had the car towed.

The brakes failing reminded me of an occaision about two moths ago when the car became difficult to shift and the "BRAKE FLUID" light went on. After sitting for about a half an hour I re-started and all was normal.

I have learned that the Saab hydraulic system interconnects or shares fluid with the clutch. This surprises me. (I am a mechanical engineer) but they are better designes than I could hope to be.

My considered opinion is that it is not a cylider or a leak. But I cannot even conjecture what it must be.

Please, please someone with knowledge of the Saab's hydraulics pleasehelp so that I will not in ignorance permit my repairer to replace the entire hydraulic system.

I really need help and need it ASAP. Thanks a whole lot.

Malcolm

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Malcolm William Mason
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It's either the clutch master or the clutch slave ;-)

If you have fluid coming out of the bottom of the bellhousing, it's the slave. Needs replacing.

If you're not loosing fluid, or you're loosing fluid into the passenger footwell (pull the carpet back and take a look) then it's the master.

Since you say you're loosing fluid under the engine, it's the slave. I don't know why your replacement slave hasn't lasted very long, but it hasn't.

This bit may sound odd, but please believe me. IME, if you replace the slave, the master will fail a short time afterwards. And vice versa. Maybe it's because of the new fluid, I don't know. But if you're intending to keep the car, then it makes sense to replace both at the same time.

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On this subject; the reason is so that if you are leaking brake fluid, before you find out about it by not having brakes, you'll learn about it by the clutch not working as well - normally a much safer way to find out. Your "pedal sticking on the floor" failure mode isn't normal, and I can't explain it...but that's the reason behind the shared reservoir.

If you're losing fluid, (are you?), it's going somewhere, but if you can't see a leak, ...

If he can't explain what's happening either, he's probably not the right person to be working on it. Do you have any Saab specialists (dealers or independants) in your area? What is your area, maybe someone here knows...

Dave Hinz

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I'm not sure about other models, but the C900 and the 9000 both have separate compartments for the brake and clutch fluid within the shared reservoir. The result is that you can drain down the brakes (e.g. from a caliper) without in any way affecting clutch operation. Similarly, you can drain down the clutch without affecting the brakes.

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On my '88 900T, the clutch fluid tube into the reservoir was higher than the brake fluid tube into it, and the clutch would definately suck air before the brakes would. It's divided, but the division is not up to the top of the tank. The brake side of it will get low, but not low enough to suck air. At least, in my USA-spec '88 900Turbo.

I know for a fact that if, for instance (ahem) you blow your clutch tube apart (right where the flexible hose is crimped to the flared steel line, let's say...), you will lose clutch (of course) but that you do in fact still have brakes...been there, done that. Drove home anyway ;)

Dave Hinz

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davehinz

Hmm...Interesting. I'll have to dig up an old reservoir and do some experiments.

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Grunff

You may have air pockets in your brake or clutch hydrauliic lines. Could be both. I'd bleed the clutch hydraulic first if I were you.

Yaofeng

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