230 mpg

There is a lot of skepticism on whether the Chevy Volt can obtain 230 mpg even as a hybrid. However, in one news broadcast on TV, someone referred to 230 mpg-equivalent.

I suspect what they did is take the milage in battery-only mode, and figure the cost in miles/dollar, then multiply by some value of dollars per gallon. The result is a miles per gallon if you spent the same money on a gas powered car. 230 mpg would be about right, since a GM press release says they are computing operating costs figuring 5 cents per kilowatt-hour.

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Don Stauffer
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I heard it was based on city driving only where the motor rarely kicks in.

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CEG

Yesterday morning, radio talk show host Paul Gallo

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was talking about that.He said, Trouble is, it cost $40,000

I can't see meself ever paying that kind of moola for any kind of vehicle! cuhulin

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cuhulin

I heard it was based on city driving only where the motor rarely kicks in.

******* When I go down a hill, my Solara indicates 99.9 mpg (only because it is a three element display). And in that few seconds, it is probably getting at least 99.9 mpg.

If you charge up a Volt and drive 5.5 miles to work and 5.5 miles back home, you might get an infinite mpg figure, since the smell of distilled petroleum might not have crossed your fuel injectors.

My European friends dont understand the difference between BS (bull) CS (chicken), and HS (horse).

This Volt situation has a little of each.

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hls

Don Stauffer wrote in news:4a82d031$0$48221$ snipped-for-privacy@news.qwest.net:

It's a meaningless number. mpg means that gasoline is used for power exclusively. Pure marketing. The Tesla you could argue, gets infinite mpg for the same reason.

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fred

AND looks good! AND goes like a bat out of hell! AND has a Lotus supension!

WHAT THE HELL ever happened to get this:

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Ugh. Another Prius...

Or, was that Insight?

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Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

Also... who pays only $0.05 USD per kWh?... I sure don't... I pay $0.1385 USD in Ontario Canada.

What I want to know is... how many miles per kilowatt-hour does this Volt get?

I'm guessing 2 or 3 MPkWh. I'm paying $0.153 CDN ($0.1385 USD @ 0.9050 exchange) per kWh right now, and "it ain't got no ROAD TAX " in the $0.153.

1 hour driving at 40 mph (with electrons only) it will use 16 to 20 kWhrs... Christ, I only use 9 kWhrs in 24 hours to do everything in a house!
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M.A. Stewart

My Prius is the same way. It indicates 100, only because the computer limits the math to the max display bar (100). Actually, while operating battery only, the miles per GALLON is infinite if the IC engine is off.

Actually, I think one of these days we will have to look at miles per dollar as a way to evaluate milage as alternate fuels becomes more prevalent and electric cars become more common.

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Don Stauffer

There has to be a more realistic yardstick for this. Miles per dollar, or miles per carbon unit. The CO2 caps are still a very real possibility.

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hls

snipped-for-privacy@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (M.A. Stewart) wrote in news:h6054m$p34$ snipped-for-privacy@theodyn.ncf.ca:

So lets say 20KWhr for that one hour. That's 40 miles of course. Now the cost for those 40 miles would be (20x0.153) $3.06 USD. Now if you have a car that gets 25 Mpg, you would use 40/25 Gallons naturally and the current median price around here is $0.9935/l (canadian) or ~$0.89912/l US. There are 4.55l/Gallon (Imperial) or 3.78541/Gallon (US). ($3.38 US/ US gallon up here). The above example would consume 7.2816 l costing $6.54 US. So not only are you not have to go to the gas station, it's costing you 46% as much as gas would. However I doubt that a) US electricity prices are that low, b) as reliable or c) produced by anything other than largely fossil fuels anyways. And with cars charging on it, the production needs to go up by a huge amount as well.

Shame they don't make any decent noise. There's a GT6 that I hear every night as it's driving about 1/2 mile away - glorious sound. We're going to miss them. I still say that hydrogen gas is the way to go. You still make noise, but there's no polution. Propane is just plain silly - less power, polutes just as much - if not more (there's SO2 in propane causing sulfuric acid) and the exaust stinks worse.

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fred

According to GM the car gets 4 miles per KWH on the battery power ( city driving ). At a nickel a KWH the cost of driving 40 miles is 50 cents.

-jim

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jim

jim wrote in news:a-adnXbavdXF3xnXnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@bright.net:

Not that anyone gets electricity for that amount of money. As stated earlier.

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fred

You said "Hydro" Where in Canada are you?

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Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

I guess they're expecting government subsidized EV charging electricity with a separate meter or similar.

Cost per mile based on actual energy cost, be it electricity, gas, diesel, etc. divided by cargo capacity is the only realistic way to compare vehicles.

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Pete C.

"Pete C." wrote in news:4a848865$0$29108$ snipped-for-privacy@unlimited.usenetmonster.com:

Well, until very recently our Hydro was government run. It was more reliable, cost less and more accountable to the public. Now we have a power outage every time there's a thunder storm of any size.Utilities work best when they're controlled and grabbed by the short and curlies.

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fred

The $0.153 is Canadian dollars. The $3.06 would be Canadian. At today's approximate exchange rate (0.9200), the $3.06 would be $2.82 U.S. dollars.

What do people pay in Los Angeles for electricity? $0.18, $0.20 (USD) per kWh?

Or a separate meter to bill for electricity and ROAD TAX.

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M.A. Stewart

snipped-for-privacy@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (M.A. Stewart) wrote in news:h62dcd$d8m$ snipped-for-privacy@theodyn.ncf.ca:

C> So lets say 20KWhr for that one hour. That's 40 miles of course. Now the

According to GM the car gets 4 miles per KWH on the battery power ( city driving ). At a nickel a KWH the cost of driving 40 miles is 50 cents.

-jim

4x what jim stated as his number. My point remains valid: Nobody gets electricity for 5 cents a KwH.
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fred

When you consider that a substantial part of the price of gasoline is in the taxation, do you not think that a major conversion of electric automobile travel would be met by electricity taxes, carbon credit costs, etc......?

The Democrats in the USA are presently driving this nation toward "cap and trade", and it may do little good to push us even further toward coal fired or petroleum based electricity generation.

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hls

5 cents per KWH is not my number. The question was how did GM arrive at their 230 mpg figure.

The 5 cents a KWH number was stated in the original post at the top of the thread. The number I have seen from GM promotional sources are 3-10 cents per KWH. Those rates are probably based on off-peak metering, which in many places goes for about half the standard utility rates.

-jim

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jim

What I don't understand is that my power company is asking state for a rate increase. Yet our local paper has an "energy" page every Friday. The page gives the wholesale price of many types of energy. Every week for many months the wholesale price of electricity in the area has been way below what it was a year ago. So why do they need a rate increase?

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Don Stauffer

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