Honda sued over hybrid mileage

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"only in America"

Reply to
bugalugs

Ah, the touchy feely caulifornia justice. I wonder if honda would have some rectitude to sue appeal all the way to the superior court.

Did any automaker sue the government over cafe tightening yet?

How about class action lawsuit of major automakers against government?

Reply to
AD

I'm glad she took them to court, and I hope the ruling stands. Manufacturers and/or marketers KNOW that they are misrepresenting their products in most cases like .

I dont blame this on the engineers, or workers of Honda. Smells like they might have acquired some previous GM talent in their ranks.

Reply to
hls

yup, that's honda usa. the same ex-gm people that wouldn't sell the fit, what is now one of their fastest selling cars. wouldn't sell the crv, again a huge success, and insisted on the pilot and ridgeline, with the former underselling and the latter a complete flop. the same retards that now bring you the mega-over-sized current line up of civics and accords with designed-to-fail engines and transmissions.

based on the above, anyone would think they're /still/ working for gm!!!

Reply to
jim beam

So that's how to explain Honda problem. Blame it on GM!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHA.

--Vic

Reply to
Vic Smith

what do you mean by designed to fail?

bob

Reply to
bob urz

remember how you used to be able to get incandescent light bulbs that lasted 800, 1200, 2000 hrs, etc? and how long they lasted depended on how much you were prepared to pay? well, light bulb life is usually a function of grain boundary slippage for the tungsten crystals in the filament wire. if you arrest the slippage with thoria or something similarly refractory, you can extend the life of the bulb almost indefinitely if you want to.

it's the same with cars. if you want an automatic transmission to fail, you can do a number of things based on how you /want/ it to fail. thinner clutch material lasts less long than thicker for instance. softer gear tooth facings spall faster than harder ones for instance. lower quality hydraulic piston seals last less long than good quality ones - especially when run against rougher walls than smoother ones, etc.

"designed to fail" is pretty much the primary concern of the auto industry these days. trying to get it to last, which is where we were prior to the 70's for domestics and the 90's for the japanese, is now circling the drain of the bathtub curve of ancient history.

Reply to
jim beam

1970s the peak of domestic car longevity? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
Reply to
Brent

that's not what i said, you functionally illiterate rodent. the 70's were the last period that domestics pursued longevity as a function of their production economics. since the 80's they've pursued life limitation, even though it actually costs a little more for the necessary better q.c. to achieve it. it's called "calibrating the bathtub curve".

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Reply to
jim beam

That's the implication of your entire statement.

Obviously not true given real world results. You see a lack of knowledge showing up in the design as over-engineered parts and think that was seeking longevity. It wasn't. Either materials to use lighter weight and less expensive components did not yet exist or the tools and knowledge to design appropiately didn't. If you try to make a product last as long as possible it will become unaffordable to most everyone. To hit cost targets those cars were designed for a useful life just as they are today. For instance, the bodies rusted out quickly even though it was known how to prevent it. The car wasn't designed to last all that long. It would rust out and be replaced.

The bath tub curve goes back centuries.* It wasn't something new in the

1980s. What happened in the 1980s was the tools and understanding not over engineer parts not only came into existance but became a competitive requirement for the domestic automakers.

Another article you've misunderstood and mis-applied.

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Reply to
Brent

you're truly astoundingly ignorant and incapable of any logical analysis, rodent. the /pre-existence/ of the bathtub curve has /nothing/ to do with the timing of the auto industry's pursuit of its "calibration" technology. yours is the kind of bizarre and inconsistent pretzel logic that would say that earth's heliocentric orbit didn't exist until galileo came along.

philosophically, i can only assume this continual knee-jerk gainsay is because you're so offended that anyone would confront you with your own stupidity that any logical thinking abilities you may have had desert you. but there are easy remedies:

  1. learn your limitations.
  2. don't argue out of your depth.
  3. learn not to bounce every time someone can't resist kicking you.

at least one of these would be within your power - if you were ever to be smart enough to figure it out.

but philosophy will be proven wasted on rodents, in seconds 3, 2, 1,....

Reply to
jim beam

What I like about this lawsuit is how Honda is trying to have both sides of the coin all to themselves.

First they claim in their defense that they have no control over the EPA numbers on the window sticker and that they cannot be held liable if the owners cannot reach that number.

Then in EVERY commercial for vehicles they tout how high the mileage the vehicles they make have achieved in EPA testing.

I guess when things are in their favor they are fine but when the real world results don't match the testing they are not responsible.

Typical of most of the imports out there. It is NEVER their fault if us dumb Americans cannot understand how to use their vehicles.

Oh and anytime you think that the US treats people from other countries bad try visiting those countries. Japan treats ALL foreign people with total disdain.

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Steve W.

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