Hydrogen Fuel Stations

The Administration is cutting funding for hydrogen fuel stations even as the car makers say that they can launch fuel cell vehicles in the year 2015.

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Of course a political platform trying to steer technology is one concern.

But I have views for local hydrogen fuel stations. Well, anyone that can make a deal where the local power company will buy electricity from a stationary fuel cell, can also be a hydrogen fuel station for vehicles. The stationary fuel cell simply steams hydrogen out of natural gas. The question is, is the local power company required to buy electricity from stationary fuel cells ?

But commercial providers of industrial gases want to deliver hydrogen.

So the difference in these two ideas might be the problem.

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PolicySpy
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But what's wrong with battery powered Electric Vehicles such that Fuel Cell vehicles are being developed ?

Well, the Fuel Cell vehicle has greater range, quicker refueling, and normal vehicle weight.

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PolicySpy

hydrogen is a fundamentally retarded concept. not only is the "BIIIIG-smoking-crater-in-the-ground" factor not being properly addressed, the fundamental issues of extraction entropy and materials are completely absent from any debate whatsoever. that's mighty strange given that they're both fundamental to the practical reality of trying to run such a machine outside of the political bubble in which this ridiculous bottomless subsidy trough was conceived.

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jim beam

PEM fuel cells are the smaller and lower temperature fuel cells and are the fuel cells for vehicles. They are meeting cost targets within expected time frames.

Solid Oxide fuel cells are the larger and higher temperature fuel cells. This is a popular choice for stationary fuel cells but not the only choice.

The stationary fuel cell can simply be connected to a natural gas line and then steam hydrogen out of natural gas. So the stationary fuel cell could turn off it's electricity production and sell hydrogen when needed. But here's the odd thing. Hydrogen is steamed out of natural gas at about 1000 degrees F and the Solid Oxide fuel cell for stationary applications runs at about 1000 degrees F. Hooked up to natural gas line and once it's running there is no combustion. (I only advocate a stationary fuel cell as a hydrogen fueling station, I don't know of one.)

The fuel cell vehicle requires hydrogen at 5000 psi. They do that with a carbon fiber tank and the carbon fiber tank weighs much less than the battery pack of an Electric Vehicle. But also the range of the fuel cell vehicle is greater than the range of the Electric Vehicle. And hydrogen, even after being steamed from natural gas and compressed, still has high efficiency. Also, while hydrogen ignites easily it also rises and dissipates quickly so that risk of explosion is overstated.

The fuel cell vehicle is a zero tailpipe emissions vehicle. But even with the production of hydrogen factored in, the pollution is about

50% less. In fact burning natural gas is cleaner than burning coal and steaming natural gas is cleaner than burning natural gas.
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PolicySpy

Here's a project where hydrogen stations will locally steam hydrogen out of natural gas and that instead of having deliveries of hydrogen:

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But that doesn't necessarily mean that the station will run a stationary fuel cell when not selling hydrogen.

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PolicySpy

:-)

this sample source sounds interesting Mr. Hock said it should have come as no surprise that the E.P.A.?s two monitoring wells showed high levels of methane and benzene because they were drilled deep into a natural gas field.

?I?d like to have the industry held accountable for once,? said Jeff Locker, a hay and barley farmer who said that his well water had gone bad around the mid-?90s and that the contaminants had contributed to his wife?s neuropathy. ?We?ve got scientific proof. And they?re still turning their back on us. They expect us to pay between $100 and $200 for something we didn?t cause. It gets under my skin.? Mr. Hock said it should have come as no surprise that the E.P.A.?s two monitoring wells showed high levels of methane and benzene because they were drilled deep into a natural gas field. ; what are the main interests of the hydrogen sustainability?

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