Re: Responses from Buick....

I sent an email to Buick re the problems with the 3800 Gen II engines, and

> asked what they intended to do about the defect in them. This, ladies and > gentlemen, is the concerned response: > > ************ > Good evening! Thank you for contacting the Buick Customer Assistance > Center. We appreciate you taking the time to write us in regards to your > 1998 Buick LeSabre. > > Our vehicles come with a 36 months or 36,000 miles whichever comes first for > manufacturer defects in materials or workmanship. Coverage begins on the > original delivery date. Other components carry specific warranties based on > state and federal law. > > Recalls are released when the vehicle or an item in the vehicle's equipment > does not comply with a Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard or when there > is a safety-related defect present in the vehicle or equipment. Federal > Motor Vehicle Safety Standards set minimum performance levels for those > parts of the vehicle which most effect its safe operation, brakes, tires, > lighting, or which protect drivers and passengers from death or serious > injury in the event of a crash. This is applicable to all vehicles and > equipment manufactured for sale in the United States that are certified for > use on public roads and highways. Through tests, inspection procedures and > information gathering systems, General Motors, as a manufacturer, may > discover that a safety defect exists or that the requirements of a safety > standard have not been met. At that time, a voluntary recall will be > released. > > Buick works diligently to provide a high quality product that we hope will > exceed your expectations. However, when dealing with a mechanical part, > there is always a chance that something might fail. That is something we > cannot speculate on; and why we do provide a warranty on that item of 12 > months, or 12,000 miles, whichever comes first. > > If you should experience a concern with your vehicle, we ask that you > schedule an appointment with your dealer to have your vehicle diagnosed and > contact us with your appointment information. We will work with your dealer > towards a resolution. We have documented your inquiry in service request > number 1-132976010. > > If you should need to contact us in the future, simply reply to this message > or call our Buick Customer Assistance Center at 1-800-521-7300. Customer > Relationship Managers are available Monday through Friday from 8:00 a.m. to > 11:00 p.m., Eastern Time. > > Again, thank you for contacting Buick. > > Sincerely, > > > Ritisha Lawson > Customer Relationship Manager > Buick Customer Assistance Center > > ********NOW DON'T WE ALL FEEL BETTER??? > > I also asked them how to contact the factory representative in this zone, > and dig this eloquent response: > Thank you for contacting the Buick Customer Assistance Center. We > appreciate you taking the time to write us in regards to Buick factory zone > representative. > > We appreciate your interest in locating a General Motors employee. Due to > security and confidentiality policies, we are not able to provide the > contact information you are seeking. We recommend that you submit your > request for information to the following address: > > General Motors Corporation > Human Resources Department > 100 Renaissance Center > Detroit, MI 48265 > > If you should need to contact us in the future, simply reply to this message > with your service request number, 1-132976010 or call our Buick Customer > Assistance Center at 1-800-521-7300. Customer Relationship Managers are > available Monday through Friday from 8:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m., Eastern Time. > > Again, thank you for contacting Buick. > > Sincerely, > > Michelle Steward > Customer Relationship Manager > Buick Customer Assistance Center > ************** > > > Truly, the inmates are running the sanitarium.... > > > >

So, in fewer words - your car lasted as long as we warranted that it would and we haven't tripped over any federal safety laws, so what's you problem?

Don¹t call us, we'll call you.

Caveat emptor !

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E. Meyer
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"Larry Smith" wrote

"Which" defect?

They have more then one. But none of them are safety related....so I doubt you will see much action on this.

Ian

Reply to
shiden_kai

The defect I was asking about has to do with the intake manifold gasket failures which has lead to DexCool entering the engine and causing rapid engine failure.

From what has been posted here, this affects every 3800 from ca 1995 to the present, as well as 2.8, 3.1, and 3.8 litre engines.

The OEM gasket fails by fretting apparently, and a new style gasket has been developed to cure the problem.

Caveat emptor is an apt phrase.

As in so many cases, GM knows there is a quality problem, doesn't give a damn.

Reply to
Larry Smith

"Larry Smith" wrote

That's a great engine.

Here is the bulletin that covers your wife's car.

Engine Coolant Consumption or Coolant Leak (Inspect for Material Degradation/Replace Intake Manifolds) #01-06-01-007A - (07/18/2001) Engine Coolant Consumption or Coolant Leak (Inspect For Material Degradation/Replace Intake Manifolds)

1995-1997 Buick Riviera

1995-1998 Buick LeSabre, Park Avenue

1996-1998 Buick Regal

1998 Chevrolet Lumina, Monte Carlo

1995-1996 Oldsmobile Ninety-Eight

1995-1998 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight

1998 Oldsmobile Intrigue

1995-1998 Pontiac Bonneville

1997-1998 Pontiac Grand Prix

with 3.8 L Engine (VIN K -- RPO L36)

This bulletin is being revised to correct parts and labor operation usage. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 01-06-01-007 (Section 6 - Engine).

Condition Some owners may comment on excessive engine coolant consumption, or an engine coolant leak near or under the throttle body area of the upper intake manifold.

Cause Upper intake manifold composite material may degrade around the EGR stove pipe and could result in an internal or external coolant leak.

Correction 1.. Follow the upper intake manifold removal instructions found in the Engine Unit Repair Section of the Service Information Manual.

2.. Refer to the arrow in the illustration of the upper intake manifold above. Inspect the inner diameter of the EGR passage for signs of material degradation. Degradation will appear as "pitting" of the composite material in the EGR port passage. 3.. If degradation of upper intake manifold composite material is found, replace the lower and upper intake manifolds with the following part numbers: a.. Lower Intake -- 24508923 b.. Upper Intake -- 17113136 (includes necessary upper intake plenum gaskets) c.. Lower Intake Gasket -- 12537197 4.. Follow the lower and upper intake manifold installation instructions found in the Engine Unit Repair Section of the appropriate Service Manual. 5.. If degradation is not apparent, skip to Step 7. 6.. Verify the repair. 7.. If no degradation is found, evaluate the vehicle for other causes of excessive coolant consumption as noted in the Engine Diagnosis Section of the appropriate Service Manual.

Ian

Reply to
shiden_kai

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