Volt IS a hybrid

Speaking of Diesels, Plymouth Diesel Cars, with Perkins Diesel engines..

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dsi1 wrote in news:m5Nso.2390$ snipped-for-privacy@newsfe15.iad:

Sure you can compare them: by their gas milage. That's the only thing that matters with such vehicles.

Well, language is all we have to use. If the words don't have constant and consistant meaning, no one knows what *anyone* is saying. Certainly that was a problem with the OP IMHO. I wasn't angry or annoyed (a *lot*) at least, just curious as to what meaning was actually intended.

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chuckcar

The generator has a gas engine. Can't you read?

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AZ Nomad wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net:

Ignoring the idiocy of calling a golf cart a car for a minute, one

*with* a diesel generator isn't a hybrid. Now go find me that non-existant diesel powered golf cart - which *still* only has one source of power - the generator. The battery doesn't count, It doesn't charge without the generator and there's no other form of power generation.
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chuckcar

it's not the source of power, it's the source of traction. if it's just power, then a prius is not a "hybrid". but it has two sources of traction, thus it is.

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jim beam wrote in news:SIqdnVjxTOa4CynRnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@speakeasy.net:

Really? so an amphicar is a hybrid then? interesting viewpoint.

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chuckcar

I have worked in some factories before where some of the machinery had motor/generators. cuhulin

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jim beam wrote in news:SIqdnVjxTOa4CynRnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@speakeasy.net:

Sorry, my last reply came out far too trite and annoyed. Ok, you can use generators to store power in the battery (from braking and other sources that would be wasted otherwise) and then use that to drive your "other traction source" as you call it - namely the electric motor. Now *if* that uses a completely different battery than is used to start the gas engine, there's nothing we disagree about. However, the proper way to do it is to have a second source of power that doesn't require gas at all to run the car. That is, with an empty gas tank and just enough battery power to turn over/start this second engine you can drive away.

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chuckcar

i don't understand - what's this second engine going to run on if the gas tank is empty???

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jim beam wrote in news:zeadnfFy5_YlYSnRnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@speakeasy.net:

Something *other* than hydrocarbons ideally. Hydrogen is certainly the cleanest. In fact that *would* be a current example for a *proper* hybrid: a car with gasoline and hydrogen tanks, a fuel cell, and a coventional gasoline engine.

The whole point of having these vehicles in the first place is to have a reasonably inexpensive replacement for gasoline engines by reducing the production costs by having these engines put into normal cars. If you don't build vehicles with two different engines (one gasoline and one "green"), then you're doing nothing towards this progression. And BTW propane, diesel and alcohol based engines don't count - they're just normal conventional enginges very slightly modified if at all.

What I'd *love* to see is a hydrogen combustion engine version of the Tesla.

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Hydrogen is a really piss poor energy transfer medium. It's dangerous as hell, expensive, has a very low energy density. Hydrocarbon fuels that are grown (and remove carbon from the air in the process) make far more sense -- biodiesel, alcohol, etc.

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AZ Nomad

that's completely illogical. two engines and two fuels? dude, that's /beyond/ illogical.

oh, and hydrogen is a political boondoggle, it's not a practical fuel. it's ridiculously dangerous, incredibly inefficient to produce, and causes huge metallurgical problems. again, hydrogen is the crazytalk of the naive and the politicians wanting to make themselves look good while funneling taxpayers dollars to their friends. stay away.

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jim beam wrote in news:kt-dnVsaEN5rUijRnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@speakeasy.net:

Just read my reply again. You completely missed the point. I'm not going the repeat myself for no good reason.

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AZ Nomad wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net:

Really? it wasn't even responsible for the Hindenburg disaster. That was the caused by the explosive paint on the outside.

It has an *extremely* low density as well, It's energy per gram that matters.

Not if there isn't any. And that's precisely the point.

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chuckcar

no it's not - it's the ability to funnel this stuff into your engine/fuel cell/whatever. if you want to carry a meaningful quantity of the stuff about with you - since mobility is the objective - you need storage. and that is a major issue.

where does hydrogen comes from? seriously - what processes are used to create it before you can use it?

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jim beam

i did - and there appears to have been no good reason for what you said in the first place.

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