Toyota Mini-Vans

Not according to CR.

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Arthur Hass
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Whoooo there - that was all standard with the CE sold in Calif!

The Stockholm syndrome at work. The captor gets the prisoner to identify with him. You really are a prisoner - you have no alternative. All the dealers use precisely the same sleazy conduct, smoke and mirrors and the public just love it - or else things would change. These are all good things that public love and are willing to put up with just like, war, tax exempt institutions, crime and drugs, illegal immigration and lawlessness. First they will say or do anything to get you in to their lot. Then when you get tired and are ready to buy - you are shuffled between about three managers or VPs (The big cheese will likely drop in to gladhand you also) (the guy with the boots and hose outside cleaning cars is at least a VP of something) that are furiously 'pounding' calculators and forms. Then they want you to start signing pieces of paper, per policy, or required etc. When they got to that stage with me I threw the paper back and said: "Do all you damn paperwork first an put it in a single pile for me to consider and sign if acceptable or appropriate - be prepared to give me a complete and correct copy of everything I sign. And by the way I know this is the stage where somebody will claim there is an error that will cost me XXX$ more - and you are counting on me being a nice guy etc. and accept the additional charge just to get the F### out of there." I told them do the right thing NOW I have things to do and places to go - YOU SIMPLY NEED TO MATCH THE NUMBERS IN YOUR FAX - PERIOD - or else." DO IT NOW! DO IT NOW! DO IT NOW! That seemed to finally work. No wonder the first guy did not want to send me a fax . I was gang ringing exactly at 8am when they opened to confirm that their ad was correct and the car was in stock and if they delivered. No dealer has ever gone below the LOW NET special no matter what you say - in my experience in So Cal. To get best price you have to accept precisely what they have (except the BS). None have beat my price in four months - including my dealer. I had actually expected to pay about 1k for purchasing before the end of the model year.

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 22:00:09 -0400, Arthur Hass wrote:

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Consumer Reports noted that one of the major disadvantages of the Sienna was expensive option packages. Maybe if you are getting a stripped model you will end up cheaper in the Sienna. But for most option packages, the Honda can save you over a grand.

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Art

I would agree with that. I tend toward the stripped down model.

Arthur Hass

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