Toyota's Farley jumps to Ford to head marketing

I'm lost Dude? I think that would be you...

Well any privately driven "luxury car", "performance luxury sedan" or not absolutely requires "enough power" to effortlessly go and stop otherwise it cannot be a luxury car.

Ok, isn't that what I meant, or are we not on the same boat?. The ES and and the V6 Camry share the same power train, the difference will be on the luxury items on the Lexus. Its true, "luxury" vehicles have that "get up and go" that you refer to. What would you consider enough power to be? Is a 0-60 mph of 6 or 7 secs is fine and anything higher than that is not enough power, thus less luxurious? Or anything faster than a Corolla is good enough for you. Comparing two luxury cars, would the slower car mean that it would be less luxurious than the other?

Basically being quicker and faster than lesser priced/appoined cars. Being able to walk away from the average shitbox comes to mind.

All else being equal, yes!

Well then you have to change your perception. Lexus ES 0-60 is 6.8 secs (lexus.com) Camry V6 6.5 secs by edmunds.com (6.1 by road and track) Quicker is not more luxurious.

Eye of the beholder... If you can't step on the pedal and ditch some punk in a cheap shitbox Camry who is screwing with you on the open road, you are hardly driving around in a luxury car.

I don't have to change my perception, regardless what Toyota and whoever else wants, I don' consider a Lexus a luxury car. A shitbox Camry with more options does not a luxury car make. The German Opel GT coupe was the "poor man's Corvette" and The Lexus is still the "poor man's luxury car".

Well yeah, can't argue with that

The MB E350 have the same 0-60 of the Camry of 6.5 secs. MB is 268Hp Camry is 268Hp. Top speed, I have no idea. No matter what open road, we all abide by the speed limit in the US. The C350 can go from 0-60 in 6.1 secs. Is the C class more luxurious than the E-Class? Oh and the IS350 can do better at 5.3 secs. Is the MB the rich man's luxury car? Then why is it the MB slower. These are numbers and not "eye of the beholder", as you said quicker is more luxurious all thing being equal.

If that is what you feel about the Lexus, its fine with me. Luxury cars have the getup and go, But faster is not necessarily more luxurious.

ahhhh

Ford may now take the Toyota marketing ploy.

Create a new brand name.

Market it as an expensive executive brand that stands for luxury and quality, but is lower priced than the real quality German vehicles.

Then just build the same old standard stuff in the same old factorys.

Lexus are not the poormans Mercedes, they are the semi-rich mans Camry!!!!!

LMFAO

LMFAO

So now you two are talking about quality. Earlier it was "faster is more luxurious", now quality is more luxurious.

There is no *real quality* German vehicle. All car companies have quality issues at some point. There have been more bad reviews on BMW and Mercedes combined than Lexus. And there are more awards for the Lexus since it was born on 1989.

Best of What's New: Best Car. Lexus LS 400, Popular Science (1989) First Place in luxury sedan comparison test. Lexus LS 400, Car and Driver (December 1989). The Lexus flagship triumphed over competitors from Audi, BMW, Cadillac, Infiniti, Jaguar, and Mercedes-Benz. Best Imported Car of the Year. Lexus LS 400, United States Motoring Press Association (1989) * #1 in Vehicle Dependability. Lexus LS, J.D. Power and Associates Vehicle Dependability Study (1994-2007). The Lexus LS has received this award for 13 consecutive years, more than any other manufacturer. In 2005, J.D. Power's survey found just 90 problems per 100 LS 430 sedans, the first time in the survey's 16 year history for a vehicle to average less than one problem over three years. In following years, the Lexus LS repeated this feat, averaging just 88 and 94 problems per

• #1 in Initial Quality. Lexus LS, among large premium cars, J.D. Power and Associates Initial Quality Study (1995-2006). With the fewest number of defects after 90 days of ownership, the LS has achieved the highest overall ranking in initial quality among large premium cars for 10 consecutive years, and among all cars for seven consecutive years. In 2004 and 2005, the Lexus LS 430 was second only to the Lexus SC 430, and in 2006, the LS 430 regained the overall lead.
• Highest ranked vehicle in reliability. Lexus LS, Consumer Reports Annual Car Reliability Study (1997-2006). The Lexus LS has been among the most reliable vehicles in Consumer Reports surveys for over a decade. The independent publication determined that a nine-year- old Lexus LS is more dependable than a brand new Mercedes-Benz, owing to the wide disparity in reliability scores between the top-ranked LS and below-average German makes

I'm not after the rich mans car or semi-rich mans car, all I think its the smarter choice. Lower price is not lesser quality.

LMFAO

You like Lexus, I think they are HIGHLY overrated.

Live with it...

On Oct 18, 12:33 am, "My Name Is Nobody" wrote: .

Ok I will, This is already going way off the original topic. I drive a

I do not like Lexus in general. I dont single out hating brands. I like the IS over the 3 series but prefer the Audi A5 and BMW 5 series over the ES. Audi and Subaru for the SUV over the X3, X5, including RX and GX. But it wont be easy (understatement) for me to afford those brands, And so I wont be buying the LS for the rest of my life. GS450h remains my practical dream car. What I like about the GS is it has CVT and not the reportedly hit-or-miss 6spd transmission they share with the camry.