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Hello - would someone recommend good winter tires, please? Currently I have all season Eagle GA P235/55R16's on my 2001 Camaro Z28. This morning, I slide into a snowy intersection and damn near into the pole on the
meridian...I really need winter tires but have waited until now like an idiot.
Blizzak's or something are great tires?
PatchMan 2001 Camaro Z28
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michelin (sp) x one's are awesome. double a "AA" traction rating.
a trick to sliding on ice is to put your car in neutral. even if it's an automatic.
try it on an icy spot when it's safe and you'll stop in half the distance.
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Not sure about that. Ice means sliding. Sliding means no traction. You're not going to stop any faster that way...
Anything that comes between the tires and the road means no traction!
That's why even an SUV with 4WD can stink in icy conditions because no traction is no traction! :) Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 26k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 141k and still going.... '80 T/A project car...
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i live in canada ! trust me ! put your car in neutral and it takes away power to the rear wheels. no flywheel or fluid spining in the TC to keep pushing.
and if your using abs i'd turn it off. with a little pratice in an empty parking lot you'll learn how to control on ice better than abs...
things like turning the wheel toward the curb while skiding letting off then hitting the brakes again. gets your front tire against the curb with the tread. and you bump it a few times then come to a fast stop.just don't let off the brakes or you'll go onto the meadian. but going up on the curb or snow bank is no big deal compard to a light pole or rearending someone.
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That still doesn't make sense. It's not like the transmission or flywheel adds anything to the forward motion of the car other than through the wheels. If the tires lose traction, you're still going to slide whether the car is in gear or not. I can see how it might be easier to control without having to brake against the engine power as well but it shouldn't effect traction in anyway.
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All i know is if I m sliding or getting ready to come to a point where I m sliding.. into neutral and theres no added power coming from the wheels and has made it easier to stop
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It might help "somewhat" however.... turning off the ABS would not be advisable!!!!!! There is no way you(or anyone else) can out brake an ABS system. That being said.... these cars were never meant for winter driving!!!!!!!!!!!! 300+hp, wide tires, and a car that is light in the rear end spells a lot of trouble.... if you really want to drive in that kind of mess then like it or not you need either a front drive (I know... I can hear and feel the pain in that statement) or you need a 4WD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Chains or studed snow tires wouldn't hurt as well.

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my 81 with 295 50 15 in the back and 265 60 15 in the front does awesome in the snow. off the line is not so great with 495 hp though.
i found the wide tires like a big snow shoes on powder snow (but carefull they dig fast)and on main roads if there was scatered bare spots the tires hit them.greater chance of touching pavment. and with a posi it was like driving a tank. while everyone got pulled around by narrow tires in the snow in between the clean spots i went on top of it.nice and smooth.
but the 81 is a heavy car.... the new ones on the other hand !!
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Depends on the situation. Having my first experiences with a vehical with ABS, I can say honestly that I'm not impressed at all. Kind of annoyed by it, actually. Only thing it's good for is if I have more/less traction with different tires. Good tires are the most important thing in any sort of driving in any weather.

I drove my '74 Trans Am (300+hp 400, 4-spd, posi) in winter in Minnesota and didn't have much problem with a standard quality all season 225/70R15 and 150# of tools and a full tank in up to 6-8" of snow on several occasions. In fact, I usually was passing everyone. And no...starting in second just made the tires spin faster. Learning how to ease the clutch so that I didn't even have to touch the gas until I was moving and then using the gas very gently was the key. I actually really miss driving the RWD cars I used to have in the winter and hate FWD. Can't steer with the throttle much in FWD cars. Loved my suburban, though...put that in 4-low and I barely needed roads, snow or no snow.

Well, of course, but kind of a pain to put them on and take them off when they aren't needed.

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You are right....Good tires are important.... however.... the prinipal behind ABS is that if the tires lock in a given sisuation... your car will slide(skid) and you won't mantain control.... no matter how good your tires are. Also, the shortest breaking distance is when the wheels don't lock..... in other words even if you were to lock up the brakes the car still wouldn't stop as quickly.

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true....kinda. abs has a really bad habit of rolling the car over the dry spots ! you know the spots!! where your skiding and then hit pavment and kiss the steering wheel.!!!
if you have no abs and you are skiding and hit a dry spot 2 feet wide it will stop you or at least majorly slow you down. if you do have abs and you get wheel lock the abs engages and you'll roll right over that dry spot unless the dry spot is 10 feet long (depends on speed,that faster you go the bigger the dry spot has to be) -- http://edmontonssin.no-ip.com http://gopherhunt.no-ip.com
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also if your about to rearend someone and you decide to take the meadian instead.... if it only has a small curb with grass center area the abs has a greater chance of allowing your car to go up onto the median or into oncoming traffic.
you don't get this when there is no abs.
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LOL "don't believe the hype" i wish i could prove it to you. but your way down there and i'm up here. maybe if i get bored i will make a video showing you that the abs can be out performed by a person.and post it on my site.
"yes the person needs to keep a clear head" "yes the person needs experience with non abs cars"
on many surfaces (not all) just by shifting in to neutral you'll out do the abs system.
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Your "dry spot" theory might have some truth to it.... but you would have to be going really slow for that to be true and the dry spot would have to be very small....... ABS works..... Even with all the complaints from people I've heard about ABS from people.... the reason they don't like it.... is they simply don't understand it. I've had cars with both.... frankly.... personally I prefer it!!!!!!! Even with it..... my ABS rarely even activates!!!!! I'm sure this probably varies with the car, make and model and probably is affected by a lot of difference factors such as rotor size, how good your tires are, pad condition, ect.) In other words, a car with skinny tires would be more likely to skid without ABS as opposed to one with fat, sticky tires. ABS helps you brake better.... it's not a "cure all" and it's not a solution for a car with a poorly engineered braking system.

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Which a good driver can do without the ABS, and in most cases, better. There are situations where ABS is very good to have and I certainly like that most people have it, but saying that it's better than a human can do is simply not true, yet.
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That's why I don't let the brakes stay locked if I'm too hard on the pedal. With A LOT of practice, you can get to a point where you can do better than the ABS. ABS is still a good thing when it comes to patchy surfaces, though. If they can make an ABS system that recognizes that, behaves differently in different situations, and can react based on the speed of the vehical, not just what it senses from the wheels, then they will have something.

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william. i'm not going to argue on your abs system because i haven't drivin your car. but you can try this one. put yourself in a safe situation where you know your abs will kick in.then repeat but shift into neutral. this way you and the abs work together and with your help you will stop shorter than just using the abs alone.
i can tell by your confidance in the system that yours works really well...but..80% of the abs system out there don't out perform the driver "if the driver knows what their doing".
and your right different cars do have different abs systems. my 97 monte carlo absolutly sucks !! it'll kick on if i'm braking and go over a pot hole !! and when kicked on it takes 1-3 seconds for it to shut off. some cars don't have this problem making their abs system more safe than mine. some can adjust every 10th of a second instead of just turning on a preset from the manufacturer.
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I'll give your suggestion a try sometime...... I can tell you that there is defiantly a difference between ABS systems thought. I have been driving my Dad's truck since he passed away about 2 years ago. (I inherited the truck but it still seems like it is his.... if you know what I mean.) Anyway.... I have seen behavior from the ABS system that is in the truck that I don't think I would have seen in my car. The first time was in a braking situation on a bumpy road.... I have heard of this problem before but had ever experienced it in my car. The other was is a deep (well... fairly deep) ponding situation in which a tire had hydroplaned.... nearly scared the crap out of me... the damn thing seemed like it wasn't going to stop!!!!!!!(Probally more or less the same as the bumppy road problem.)

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