They killed his 94 Tempo!

My buddy was having some engine idling problems and took his Tempo to a shop that he likes because they are quick. First they replaced the MAF which did not help.
Then they worked on it for a week and at the end of that the automatic transmission wasn't shifting right!! Then they said they put in a "new" computer/eec from a junkyard and now the car won't start. At some point they claim to have taken the car to a Ford dealership where they were told it needed a brand new computer and a wiring harness at a cost of $1800.I think they murdered the damned thing. They claim that the automatic transmission is not shifting because of the bad computer! Could this actually be possible? I think my friend should raise some hell about this. How could he end up with a trashed transmission? Thanks
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On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 05:50:49 GMT, "David Lee"

Yes, the "computer" controls the transmission and the engine. Sounds like you went to a rather incompetent shop in the first place and the dealer is doing what any reputable business would do in not wanting to fix someone else's F***up without being well paid. It sounds like time for another $2000 set of fair condition wheels is in order. You do not spend that kind of money on a car that is not worth that much in the first place.
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lugnut wrote:

even a lugnut wouldn't spend 1800 on a 12 year old tempo
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Tempo of Doom!
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For starters the computer does not have any control over the shifting of this transmission. But if the engine doesn't run right the transmission won't shift right either. I think your advice of just getting a different car is a little premature as well. There is not much doubt that the computer and wiring harness do not need to be replaced. Ford computers of that era rarely fail and wiring harnesses may need repairs from time to time, but all they are is a bunch of wires taped together. Find the broken or shorted wires and repair as needed. No need to replace the whole harness. This car needs to go to a tech who knows Fords......
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I had a Tempo from Hell. For what the car is worth, I wouldn't spend much time or money on it at all when I can buy a perfectly good used car for that kind of money. I suspect his problems are related to the harness socket that connects to the ECT, FWIW. Had a couple of those break internally causing similar problems to the OP. Repaired them by splicing in a pigtail from salvage cars. Most Fords of the era use the same socket there. The Tempo tends to break them because the harness just hangs off the back of the engine after a while. You are also correct that a knowledgeable Ford tech could save the OP some money and aggravation in this case.
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did the $1800 wiring harness come with a new tempo attached to it?

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I think it is time to take the shop to court. The shop probably did not have authorization to take the car to the dealer nor put in a used computer.
Jeff
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On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 05:50:49 GMT, "David Lee"

Going ONLY on the information you have provided in this post, your friend just got hosed big time - they almost certainly want a lot of money for time already spent and parts already installed, and not only did they not fix the problem it sounds like it's even worse.
Frankly, if it was my car I'd tell the Clowns at the first shop to put the car back together the way they found it and I'm coming to pick it up - the original problem you brought the car in with has not been properly diagnosed and competently repaired, so it's free. And if they don't like eating those expenses, you call the State Bureau of Automotive Repair and they can come review his licensing status as a repair shop.
Then you find a shop with a competent diagnostician on staff. Even if you have to pay for an hour or two of flat-rate labor to do a proper diagnosis, you have him find out what is really wrong and the true cost to fix it before you dump any more money into the car.
Sometimes it makes more sense to scrap it than spend $3000 to fix a $500 car. Especially if it already has bad rust or collision damage.
Clue: Car computers very rarely go bad - they're built too well. It can be a sensor issue, or a wiring problem, or a loose connector, or a blown fuse or bad power relay - but 99.9% of the time it's not the computer. When they start suggesting a new computer without eliminating everything else first, *Something* *Is* *Wrong*.
Clue: Same thing with wiring harnesses - unless it has had an electrical fire the main body harness is probably not the problem - and if it is, and you are paying someone to do the work, scrap the car NOW. Main harnesses are darned expensive by themselves ($1K - $2K even used) and require 20 to 40 hours of solid work to replace. And the fault is more than likely in on of the other components and you have to track that down and fix it first, or you'll just burn up the replacement harness the exact same way.
Clue: Some Fords have a flaky cable linkage between the throttle body and the transmission for shift control - the cable breaks, and trying to drive the car any distance will quickly toast the transmission.
If the shop even suspects something like this they should insist on having the car towed in, don't even try limping it to the shop. Or worse, they don't try taking it on a test drive with a fault like that - they could well be responsible for much of the damage.
--<< Bruce >>--
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Thanks for your input. My friend is definitely not going to spend $1800 on anything but another car. I just wanted some confirmation about the shops bogus claims about the transmission. Oh, by the way, the shop kindly towed the car to his house for free. I test drove the car around the block a few times and it sometimes does not want to shift up but eventually does. I wish he would go back and tell them they owe him a transmission. The check engine light is always on and my pal says the engine "runs poorly". Is there any chance the ccrm is screwed up and not starting up the eec?
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David Lee wrote:

Time for your friend to consider taking a "Bold Move". Where're you located? I have a slightly used 1990 Ford Escort GT for sale (163k miles), all new engine gaskets and r134a conversion, valid NJ inspection, new tires and much more. With a bulletproof MTX5 manual transmission, he'll never have to worry about auto shift response again. Will cost less than a new computer and harness, for sure.
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