Ford Workers Reject Contract changes

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The Ford/UAW contract has not expired, there is a re-opening clause that allows either side to request early talks, before the contract expires to
AVOID a strike, dummy
What makes you believe the assembly line is filled with uneducated, low-skilled workers?

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Mike Hunter wrote:

Simple. Tell them the day the contract is over, it is over. No severance needed. Minimum to get rid of the losers. Start making the replacements offshore.
Or move Ford USA into a holding company, declare Ford USA subsiduary bankrupt, close the doors and the parent Ford World lives on.
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But, but, but that would be a violation of the US labor laws, dummy. Don't you ever do a search before you choose to speak on subjects of which you obviously have little or no knowledge? LOL

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Perhaps the UAW noticed what happened to the American steel workers. The USW Union agreed to big wage and benefits cut several times, but the steel companies still when bankrupt.
Competition from foreign steel companies, that received huge supplements from their governments and over regulation buy the US government, drove the US companies into bankruptcy. It made no difference what the Union did to help the companies stay in business and save American jobs.
All one need do is look back at what happened to our manufacturing base after the EPA was enacted. in effect we "EXPORTED" our pollution and our jobs along with it.
Now Bo and the Dims in Congress want to enact a carbon tax, to save the world, that will export the rest of the jobs of you children and grand children.

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Mike Hunter wrote:

Agreed. The auto workers could give up all benefits, work for free, and Ford / GM / <insert favorite company name here> would still manage to squander any benefit derived by the elimination of labor expense.
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Ford is reporting a profit as we speak, but you are correct in that labor costs are not necessarily reflected in the amount of profit an auto makers earns.
Toyota pays it employees in the US lower wages, offers less desirable benefits and does not offer a defined pension plan, yet their cars cost the customer 20% to 30% more to drive home than comparably sized and equipped domestics. Even with that Toyota has been operation at a lose for almost a year.
A companies profits are a result of its economies of scale.

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Mike Hunter wrote:

Nope, that is inferance by bullshit.
People working at Toyota have more jobs left and 98% of Americans don't have to support them likes of GM. Toyota contributes to the society around it. GM pricing is low because of brand damage, corporate welfare, its paracitical nature and crappy quality.
Toyota during good time paid down debt, GM on the other hand stiffs people who lend them money or sell them parts. Toyota looses a small faction compared to GM which gushes loses.
If you were a supplier, had $10M in parts, 1/2 good parts and 1/2 fair parts. And GM and Toyota came to buy them, would you send the good parts to GM after they shafted you on paying for parts in bankruptcy? Hell no, GM is a second rate customer after screwing so many. Good customers that pay their bills get good parts.
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But, but, but, GM still out sells Toyota in the US. Apparently your opinion is still that of a minority.

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Mike Hunter wrote:

Ceasar was the leader in Rome, now where is he? Companies like people age. GM has plenty of old age rot inside and it is dying. GM is about the same difficulty as resurecting the dead. May god help them. But forgive me if I don't hold my breath. Those loans will never be repaid and any MBA dork knows you don't sink good money into bad.
GM: Tick-Tock.
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But, but, but, that is what you have been saying over and over again ever since you came into the NG but GM still out sells Toyota in the US. Apparently your opinion is still that of a minority, dummy. LOL

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But Toyota has been gaining market share and GM has been losing market share for years. Just look at the pattern.
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What's your point, Toyota is also loosing money and it has the advantage of not paying US Corporate Income taxes on the profits it earns in the US, as well as being supported by the Japanese government, ever since WWII LOL
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The point is, you keep stating that GM outsell every other car maker. That maybe true today, but it is not for much longer. GM has been losing market share for some time and the trend is not changing. They are not making money. Something radical has to be done or they will be gone. Toyota my be a big grabber, but so are many other brands taking away from GM.
I used to be a loyal GM buyer. Not any more, they've lost my trust. Many people feel the same way.
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That may be your opinion but it does not make sense. Obviously that is not the opinion of those that still buy GM vehicles. That is WHY GM is still number one in sales, more buyers still chose GM over every other.
It was not that many years ago that the soothsayer were predicting Ford, that at the time was selling seven of the top ten selling vehicles in the US, would soon out sell GM but that has yet to happen... Toyota has to first catch up to Fords US sales, before it can catch GM. LOL

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I'm not offering an opinion. I'm talking about fact. GM cars have been losing market share for many years. To many other makes, not just Toyota. Some decades ago, GM had 41% of the US car market. Just look at the trend. If not stopped, GM will just fade away at some point.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-market-share-slips-below-20 / It wasn't all that long ago that GM was focused on maintaining its 29 percent market share. Boy what they wouldn't sell give to be back at that point right now (not including executive pay). Automotive News [sub] reporting that GM's market share is below 20 percent for the first time in the company's history (dating back 100 years to 1908). As of May 2008, it's 19.1 percent to be exact. Meanwhile, despite a fall in sales number, Toyota's market share jumped up to 18.4 percent. Count out the impossible-to-count out fleet sales and you can be sure Toyota has passed GM in private market sales. On the positive side, least when GM isn't number one in its home market any more, a lot of the pressure to move the metal at all costs will decrease. Maybe. Alright, no.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/may/28/business/fi-gm-timeline28 1941 - GM market share grows to 41 percent. 1979 - GM's U.S. employment peaks at 618,365, making it the largest private employer in the country. Worldwide employment is 853,000. Decade features sales decline, recession, Arab oil embargo and gains by Japanese automakers.
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DUH! Get real, do you think the TOTAL number of vehicles and the TOTAL number of manufactures has been stagnant for the past 40 years, let alone from 1908 when less than 30,000 cars were sold, Even today in BO,s bad economy, the market it is still over 11,000,000
What a buyer chose to buy is indeed indicative of their opinion of which THEY believe is the better vehicle for them.
2007 was the year when the highest number vehicles ever were sold in the US and GM sold more that year, when it "share" of that market was lower, than it did back when it had nearly 50% of the market.
Even today, while the market went down by around 9,000,000 vehicles annually, GM is still selling more than any other, and you beloved Toyota at less than 15% still third behind Ford.

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Market share. They are losing market share. That means they are dying a slow and painful death. If their stuff was so great, they'd still have that 41% market share. Your second paragraph show exactly why they are losing. Buyers choose what they believe is better and that is less and less a GM car or truck.
As for Toyota, they are not beloved to me. Never owned one, no plans to buy one in the future. I don't give a damn what happens to them.
I happen to like the new Buick LaCrosse, but I don't trust GM enough to buy one. I bet it would be a nice car for a year or two; then it starts to fall apart..
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Obviously you were not an Economics major, if that is what you think about growing/declining markets and ones share of that market. When it comes to total market no matter the number, the one that sells the most, logic says is the one that largest number of buyers prefer, period. All the others, not so much, whether you would prefer to buy one or not in immaterial LOL

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Exactly right, but there is a trend you do not seem to see. More and more people are selecting GM less than ever before. Why do you keep ignoring the fact that GM is on the decline in market share and is losing money? That is just not a good business position no matter if the quality of the car is good or bad. It means they eventually go out of business unless corrected. Used to be that 41% of the buyer preferred GM, now only 19% prefer them. At the rate of decline it will soon be 10%, then 5%, then 0%. Kaput!
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Are you really that slow witted or just trying to appear slow?

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