price guess for honda civic 2006 si

I bet the baseprice will be around 20.5. There are two options, upgraded wheel/summer tire package and navigation. I bet it it's 22.5 with these options.

what value do you get from navigation? personally, i already know where i live, where my work is, where the local stores are, etc. why on earth do i need to spend $1k+ for a navigation option that i'll use less than 3 days a year and can be "simulated" by a $10 rand mcnally? i don't get it.

I think it is mainly for people who travel a lot. I'm more like you - the times we go to unfamiliar places I Mapquest the markets, restaurants, laundromats, etc and navigate while my wife drives. In earlier times we did find ourselves spending a lot of time trying to figure out how to get to the hotel we could see on the other side of the canal in a strange town at night when we couldn't find a place to buy a map - things like that.

At work we bought a Lowrance iFinder GPS and matching MapCreate software. We often have to go to wild places in all sorts of weather, and saving one misadventure in our Sno-cat at night will easily pay for it. Anyway, the software has selectable details that can be loaded into the GPS. We rely a lot on the topo stuff and the back roads. It even has every two-track dirt road on the rez - without a GPS the only sane thing to do out there at night is to pull over and wait for daylight. We can also selectively load restaurants, hotels, etc, into the GPS. Not bad for about $300 US total, but like a map it is not something a driver alone can use without pulling over.

Mike

If one only goes out of their area 3 days a year it makes no sense. In this case I'd recommend mapquest since it's free.

I may just be different but I go to lots of places other than work/local-stores all the time. The nav is great for getting me there.

But would I pay $1k for this. Hum... No, when I ordered a Mini last year I didn't because all it did was navigation (the deal fell thru but that's a different story).

The Honda nav has a lot more than just navigation. It has address/type/phone info on a million businesses in the US. This and the ability to search these adds tremendously to the value.

Here's why:

Ever been on a trip (or out of your normal area) and needed to know where the nearest gas station is?

Or needed cash and want to find the nearest ATM?

Or the nearest restaurant? (The nav lets you specify fast-food / Mexican / Italian / Thai / American / etc. I found a great Cajun fish restaurant this way.)

Ever had (or a passenger ever had) a headache / toothache / etc and wondered where the nearest drugstore / grocery store was?

Or had a flat-tire / out-of-gas and need the phone number of the nearest gas station so you can call them to send someone out?

Or nearest Honda dealer? Or the nearest Target or other kind of shopping? Or the nearest hotel? Ever wanted to find the nearest post office / police station? Or hardware store / stereo store?

For me these features make the Honda nav unit worth the money.

The newer nav units have real time routing around traffic jams. And have restaurant reviews.

On a more minor note: I've lived in San Francisco for 23 years and I and friends have been surprised that it occasionally finds quicker routes. I also really like the fact that I don't have to keep referring to the map and/or figuring where I am and where I need to turn next. I get to pay attention to *driving* because the nav takes care of routing.

I have 2005 Accord w navigation and love it (and because it only comes with on the EX w leather it really bumps the total price up a *lot* more than $1k).

Honda/Acura seems to have the best OEM unit. I've been told the Toyota unit takes a long time (~4 minutes) to recalculate if you go off the route (the Honda unit takes about 20 sec). Friends with BMWs don't like the clumsy rotary/press input (Honda has a touch screen). I've looked at the Alpine after market units and they have more features and about a $3k price.

I will never consider another car without a *good* nav unit.

that's my point - the vast majority of people don't go that far afield. personally, i live only 15 miles from work, don't use the car for work, yet i do about 25k per year. and i manage without nav. don't think that makes me extroardinary. if i have long distance travel to do, i fly & rent. can't say i've ever had a problem getting free maps from the rental company.

better than a free map?

how? who would drive at random and have no idea of destination? if you have destination, route is merely a planning exercise which has a trivial extension to incorporate all that you list.

no. they're all over the side of the road.

they're in gas stations, malls, stores, etc.

no. they're all over the side of the road.

over the counter painkillers are at gas stations.

no. i have aaa for that.

no. you've posted this message, so presumably you have access to the net. if that fails, i [gasp] /ask/!!!

that's impressive. but i'm coming from the other end of the spectrum to you when i say that.

so, i'm stuck on the bay bridge. i'm not going anywhere as there's no alternative routing. now what? send out for pizza?

i would never consider a car /with/ a nav unit. seems /utterly/ ridiculous to me. just like people that buy cars based on the quality of the stereo. but hey, i'm told that some people worry about the color of their toilet paper too.

I'm amazed that people were able to exist even 10 years ago, given what they consider an absolute necessity of life today.

Yes, way better. The nav is there in the car all the time. Mapquest requires internet access. In the past I've always had a full set of local maps and had no problem using them. But the nav is much more convenient and it pays attention to the routing so I can focus on the driving.

No one proposed driving at random.

So if you are out and want to go to a store but don't have the address how do you plan the trip? Sure, stop call information, call the store, write down the address and then pull out the maps.

There are lots of place where they're not "all over". Having had the nav for a while it's really amazing how many are near by but not visible.

An I acknowledge that it's certianly possible to wander around long enough and find one.

Good for you.

The advantage is when I'm in the car. If I'm at home or work I have phone books and the web.

I don't know many people that carry phone books or have internet access in their car.

Sure you can ask strangers on the street for directions. People have done that for years. However, it is my preference not to have depend on the knowledge and kindness of strangers. And there are lots of times when there is no one around to ask.

What do you me by "i'm coming from the other end of the spectrum"?

Uh, the point is to avoid the problem in the first place. Sure once you are there you are stuck on the bridge you are stuck. But depending on where you are heading taking the San Mateo bridge might be a lot faster. And of course one can listen to the radio to try and figure this out.

Isn't it great that we both can choose?

It's not "an absolute necessity". It is a very useful tool to have in the car.

New things come out and people use them.

20 years ago people didn't even know the web existed.

A hundred years ago people used horses instead of cars.

I don't think anyone is proposing we go back to those ways of life.

Or that we cannot live without these new things.

The issue is not "if we can or cannot live without these". The issue is "does one see an advantage to using them".

And each one of us get to make our own choice.

When someone says, "I could never imagine having a car without it," that person's imagination is extremely limited--because for years, he did have one without it.

What he's doing is refusing to admit that he could live without it. He's being a spoiled, selfish brat.

One wonders what will happen when the asteroid finally hits...

He's not taking anything away from anyone else. How is he selfish?

He can afford to buy it himself. How is he being spoiled?

You forgot to add the usual $3000 - 4000 markup by your friendly dealer. Of course, one would think they could not over-price it because an RSX S runs around 23500-24,000. At 20.5, it would be about what I paid for my 01 Prelude I bought at the end of the year when dealers were trying to get them off the lot because they were discontinued -- and therefore undesireable.

Who's quote is this? Not mine.

I said: "I will never consider another car without a *good* nav unit."

Or a car without an electric starter. People did without these for years.

New features come out. Why select a car without the feature one wants?

You are confused about the quote.

Could you elaborate on why wanting modern features makes one spoiled or a selfish brat?

"" wrote: > > I'm amazed that people were able to exist > > even 10 years ago, given what they consider > > an absolute necessity of life today. > > It's not "an absolute necessity". It is a very > useful tool to have in the car. > > New things come out and people use them. > > 20 years ago people didn't even know the web > existed. > > A hundred years ago people used horses instead > of cars. > > I don't think anyone is proposing we go back to > those ways of life. > > Or that we cannot live without these new things. > > The issue is not "if we can or cannot live without > these". The issue is "does one see an advantage to > using them". > > And each one of us get to make our own choice.

If you pull out a map more than 2-3x a week..... then get a Nav unit,

2-3x a day... better get a good one. its just like anything else. would I get a $150 a month 5000min cell plan if I only wanted it to call AAA if I break down....no... while if I am working Realestate and I am on my cell phone for 3hrs a day I would wanna get that plan. Everything is useful if you use it, nothing is useful if you dont.