Michelin - "Synchrone" vs Goodyear - " Wrangler" - HP ????

When I had my Freelander brand new in 1998 it came fitted with Goodyear Wranglers. We only did 25000km before they needed replacing. New Michelins were fitted at our expense and we did nearly 70,000km on them. The low mileage on the Goodyear's could be due to the @#$%@! excessive tyre wear problem that Freelanders suffered with. Finally sold the Freelander early this year for a new 110. Had some great times with the Freelander, and some great battles too with Land Rover trying to put to right all the problems that we had.

Talk about being guinea pigs for the new Freelanders

cheers 3LB

yeah...thanks..I too have had my fair share of troubles ... most recently ... the head gasket...THEN ( 8 weeks later ) the whole engine ... AND the clutch ... cost me around $12,000 AU all up ... so I guess I can't decide wether to hold on to it now ( hence the new tyres ) or wave good bye !

But back to the tyres... I agree...looks like the Michelins..are the go... thanks

Cheers,

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On or around Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:02:58 GMT, "Hi-Soft" enlightened us thusly:

Michelin synchrones on our disco, seem to be wearing pretty well.

If you want long life and less grip when braking go with Michelin.

If you want good grip when braking and to stop in time but aren't worried about how long they last go Goodyear.

Personally I'd never use Michelin. What you save in wear you just might pay out when you hit something.

Michelin have a hardish compound and Goodyear have a softer compound. Soft compound means more grip.

Ed

To reply, remove my appendix

Ca n'existe pas des pneux meillure qui Michelin

Bibendum regle OK

-- Larry

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On or around Thu, 11 Sep 2003 20:48:38 +0100, "Larry" enlightened us thusly:

Tell that to the ferrari F1 team...

"Hi-Soft" wrote

After the original Wranglers wore out (but only in the middle), I bought a set of Synchrones which seem much more quiet than the Wranglers, even as 215 mm wide.

regards, Ilkka

I must confess to never having driven Ferraris, however I have always found Michelins to be the most long lived and grippiest tyres on my motors, and well worth the extra cost

-- Larry

"We are all of one mind, one equal mind, and if each of us persists in being the centre of our own existence we are all doomed to suffer at each others hands. I cannot exist on my own without you, neither can you be without me, what is the world wide web about after all?. We are interdependent whether we are aware of the fact or not"

Michelin tyres are French innit :)

-- Larry

"We are all of one mind, one equal mind, and if each of us persists in being the centre of our own existence we are all doomed to suffer at each others hands. I cannot exist on my own without you, neither can you be without me, what is the world wide web about after all?. We are interdependent whether we are aware of the fact or not"

On or around Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:00:22 +0100, "Larry" enlightened us thusly:

there's a row in F1 at the moment - Ferrari, who use Bridgestone rubber, claim that Michelin's race tyres (as used by Williams and Maclaren) are over the specified width once worn - before the race they're legit.

Michelin have made a new tyre, Williams and Maclaren both say it's brilliant, and the FIA have said they'll do post-race checks on tyres, or somesuch.

Pathetic, I calls it.

At 45,000 miles I've still got 4mm left on the original rear Wranglers; the fronts were replaced at 40,000mls. All have worn evenly and have given excellent grip on wet & dry roads (vast majority) and have been surprisingly capable off road. Can't comment on the Synchrone - but wouldn't buy French on principle ;o)

Dave

On or around Fri, 12 Sep 2003 22:53:36 +0100, Tim Hobbs enlightened us thusly:

heh. there have been some intersting attempts. Mind you, I can't help feeling that this tyre thing is a bit of a red herring. The tyres are legitimate width when new, or they'd not be allowed on the car in the first place, how much wider can they get in use?

Even Ferrari have admitted that performance-wise, it's not gonna make much difference.

I can just visualise these enormous 4 foot wide tyres with a tiny sliver of rubber down the middle to give them a 10mm wide tyre, which would then be spun away during the parade lap.

I should be working for McLaren, devious bugger that I am....

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 '77 101FC Ambulance '95 Discovery V8i

On or around Sat, 13 Sep 2003 20:13:22 +0100, Tim Hobbs enlightened us thusly:

heh.

but seriously, it's a matter of a few mm they're talking about AIUI - the tyres are made to the maximum width they're allowed, obviously, when new.

Poor old Ferrari! they got away with the 'plank' thing tho' didn't they yrs ago, and why was that?? Because it was on Schumachers car, and it was Ferrari - no other reason. If it had been any other lowly team it would have been different. I think the current HP ad where they radio control the cars is spot on now, there seems to be very little down to driving 'ability' any more- it's all computer controlled. I of course accept the talent of the drivers to do the job, but 'the best money can buy' is far more prevalent these days. - boring. Take us back to when Lauda, Hunt etc were racing- 70's & early 80's, far more interesting to watch.

In my opinion of course.

Dave

I thought the telemetry had all been knocked on the head this year?

If you put the current crop of drivers up against Piquet, Mansell, Senna or Lauda in their heyday there is only Schumacher who could hold a candle to them. He's certainly the only one who has proved that he ain't scared to interlock wheels to win a corner, any corner.

Lauda recently drove a Ferrari for ten laps I recall, and spun on the first lap then outpaced one of the test drivers and came close to the regulars. That's an overweight (by F1 standards), middle-aged genius against the current superannuated media-friendly stars.

F1 has always been a development ground for the best that money can buy, but there is little heroism or true sporting endeavour in it now. They'd mostly rather lose than crash, which wasn't true of most drivers 20 years ago.

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 '77 101FC Ambulance '95 Discovery V8i

Don't know, don't watch it any more...

When you think back to Mansell's tyre blowing on that straight, and the way he fought to bring it to a halt safely, it makes you wonder what would happen now in the same situation, no doubt 'the computer' would take over and just bring it in to park!! Although I suppose Nigel would have been thankful at the time! I wonder if he owned a Land Rover?? He was 'correcting the steering' rather well for someone dragging the back end!

Safety features such as the chassis and impact protection are one thing, but traction control, auto gearbox, abs etc..it's all wrong. I see F1 TV lasted a long time on satellite didn't it!

Dave

Ouch! Just noticed your unfortunate turn of phrase.... 'Lauda' & 'hold a candle to' in the same sentence.

Dave