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ACK. I remember I read several times, that Germany is an under-average market for Rolls Royce and Bentley, if you compare the number of citizens who could afford one to other, overseas markets. From my personal reception I can say that Rolls and Maybach seem to sell about equal in germany. Of the new Rolls Royce and the new Maybach I have seen exactly one each on the road yet;-)
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Frank Kemper wrote:

I see so many more Rolls - but that is because I live not far away from a top-dealer selling RR, Bentley, Aston Martin and such, but no Maybach centre is close...
BTW I find the Maybachs not that elegegant - and I find especially the front of the RR ugly, to me it seems as if the designers had no more ideas left once they came to the styling of the front.
But one has to admit both have a strong presence in real life which IMHO also comes from their hige size.
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Who blames the language? The day I heard about the freedom fries bullshit I went out and bought 2 good bottled of french wine.
Don't assume all americans are dumb just because our government is.
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I don't. Please see careful choice of words: "a few people in the US". The "you" refers to the poster to whom I replied.
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said:

Many in government are "dumb"...but look at who puts them in place. And it's usually those who never vote who complain the most.
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This seems to be something true, which you can see in almost every country.
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haute in die Tasten:

Germany and didn't learn as much German as I'd wished, just enough to get my point across in the machine shops, paint stores, etc. Did marry a girl born and raised in Paris (huge mistake). Thirteen years and five children later we split (naturally after she'd become an American citizen. Got myself a great American born and raised lady now...livin' happily everafter! By the way, I sincerely appreciate the thoroughness with which the German people pursue a project. Nothing like the French. Found out that only one master machinest is allowed in any one machine shop. Putting two together is like putting a couple of pitbulls together in a ring. Never saw any slums in Germany, everyone kept their homes, cars and streets spectacularly clean, nothing like the slobs here in the states. Make some great friends and drank up a fortune in German wines while there (at least by today's standards). Only problem I found about most Germans? They are too much "by the book" for me, at least 40 years ago they were. Otherwise, they and most Brits are my favorites.

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That's very good of you, earnest one. Thanks ever so much.
And, by the way, how about doing something about your spelling? It's "favourites".
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You obviously didn't get my sarcasm.
Well, as you mention dictionaries, the 'ou' spelling should be in every English dictionary (Canadian included) except the American one.
Stick that in your pipe and smoke it...
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<< but are they worth the USD 200 000 plus over the top S-Class? >><BR><BR>
Over the current S-class, yes. Over the early 90's S-class, may be not that much better, except in dynamics and interior opulence.
It is hard to quantify/justify $200,000. I must say, the engineering of the car is what you are paying for, not the content of it. Its how well, part from other Mercedes came together for a greater whole.
I would say if it had a $200,000 price tag, it would be in my driveway now. Its far superior to any Mercedes (as a whole car) ever made.
Considering there is about 500 or so cars to be sold in US, I guess you need to charge a premium to keep a float. Besides, many corporations are willing to pay $350,000 for a car to take their CEOs around. You can write it off.
I am not trying to defend the high price tag. Its overpriced, no need to beat around the bush. I just want more, at least more real content like a ground braking classic grill, classic headlights, not so droopy body, just about no trendy design (if so I would get a Toyota), turbo charged twin-DOHC V24 (yes 24... why not), and some nicer looking wheels...
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Name three... (besides yours).
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If there are only 500 in the US, then at least half of them are in NYC. I see more Maybachs now than I have ever seen Rolls or Bentley.
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The other day I saw a report where a DC spokesman admitted to difficulties in the top end (i.e. Maybach) sector.
Now there's a surprise.
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Dori A Schmetterling wrote:

They miss sales figures by far - and they will never ever be able to make any money from the Maybach brand in the next ten years or so even in case the to-come Baby-Maybach (greetings to Stuttgart - I know you hate that expression!) will be a good seller as break-even is 15.000+ cars.
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"Baby Maybach"? Wouldn't that be more like a top-end Mercedes? If they plan to introduce such a product, then I really don't understand their marketing strategy (and I'm in marketing). I realize that at this point they need the brand to begin show some kind of return, but to force it by introducing a product that may very well cut into the sales of their bread-and-butter line just seems remarkably short-sighted. Unless MB conciously plans to downgrade the overall MB brand in favor of broader Maybach line (unlikely and foolhardy), introducing a 'small' Maybach will serve little purpose other than to confuse MB's top-end consumer by diminishing from the exclusivity of the Maybach brand (still it's major selling point), and at the same time reducing the desirability of the overall Mercedes line by conspicuously promoting another (presumably) similarly-priced product as a major step up from the 'standard' high end Mercedes.
If I were a marketing director with MB, I'd send this plan straight back to the drawing board.
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Absolutely.
How's this for a theory?
The Maybach concept was misconceived from the start. Sole purpose was to satisfy the egomania of one or two senior execs to have an outrageously expensive car to top Bentley (i.e. VW) and RR (i.e. BMW).
I, as a humble salesman of machines to industry, thus knowing nothing about the general 'consumer', think that honouring/remembering Wilhelm Maybach in some way is, in fact, a worthy idea. I would take one or two 500 or 600 S long-wheelbase models, kit them out with extra-expensive options, add maybe 30 000 to 50 000 euros to the price, add a discreet 'M' logo (not jokes about BMW please) somewhere and call them S-Class Maybach Edition.
I am sure I read at the Maybach launch that the total market in this sector is only 10 000 per annum. This would include Bentley et al. I think DC were being optimistic in thinking they can sell 1000 per year.
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One have to take one other thing into consideration: Chances for Maybach to sell a lot of cars have become smaller, because the new Rolls Royce seems to be a hard competitor. Actually I did never understand the urge to launch a new top brand. Mercedes has succeded in the '60s to launch a top-end limousine, the 600 Pullman. They could have done that again, instead of just providing bad looking stretch S-classes.
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The more we discuss this the more I think the present Maybach concept is mad. But then, Mercedes corporate management (as opposed to car division people) has a history curious decisions: electric household goods, aerospace (all loss-making).
If you have that kind of money, wouldn't you buy a Ferrari instead, to add to the S-Class or Jag saloon you already have?
Just read the first review of the CLS. Actually a dramatic-looking car ("just don't call it a coupι...") and good against putative competitors like a BMW 6 or a Jag 'S', but its target group?
Many years ago I read that for an automobile company to survive it will have to be good a making small runs of a variety of 'specialist' cars (in the days when only long runs of the same thing were economical. Clearly Mercedes is going down this route but the extent seems extreme. The wonderful German expression "sich verzetteln" springs to mind. It is related to frittering away.
Irrelevant aside: I found a Berlinerisch - English dictionary.... http://wolfram.schneider.org/dict/dict.cgi?query=jwd&plang=bln&db=tuc&lang=0&db=tuc&icase=1&wholewords=0&regexp=0&hitsP&matches=0
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