[ Article reposted from rec.autos.4x4 ] [ Author was Caerus ] [ Posted on Sat, 1 Oct 2005 02:28:17 +0000 (UTC) ]
The gas prices are too high here, we are paying $2.99 a gallon here in the Bay Area for regular 87. So bad, I recently sold my beloved '97 2dr Tahoe Sport for a smaller Pontiac. When will this end?
I will return to the 4x4 era when Chevy build a hybrid, most likely Ford will first.
Do not hold your breath waiting for it to end, it will never be below $2/a gallon again and I look for it to be $4/gallon in a year or two unless people drastically cut back on its usage
--------------------------------------------------------- We may see temporary lulls, but the overall movement is going to be towards five-dollar-per-gallon gasoline.
With China and India growing the energy-intensive portions of their economies, it's only going to get worse long-term. Same supply, more demand.
And don't forget inflation. With a trillion-dollar deficit looming, I'd say significant increases in inflation are just over the horizon. If you're retired or on some other fixed income, that's gonna be the *real* ball breaker.
We may see temporary lulls, but the overall movement is going to be towards five-dollar-per-gallon gasoline.
With China and India growing the energy-intensive portions of their economies, it's only going to get worse long-term. Same supply, more demand.
I'm not buying that china and India are the reasons for the high prices. how can someone making $8.00 a day afford $3.00 a gallon gas for anything including a pos scooter?
It's not the individual Chinese/Indian citizen that is consuming the *OIL* but the Chinese/Indian industry. China has had production interests in the Middle East for a few years now in anticipation of their growing thirst for the black gold. If China is unable to supply oil to its expanding industrial might, there will be even more global unrest and instability as it (China) seeks/acquires/annexes what it needs. 'Tis history repeating itself.
in raleigh i have seen it as cheap as 3.00 a gallon and high as 3.69 a gallon funny how one place is so cheap but not 5 miles down the road u can get it cheaper by 50 cents. i know that the big chain places can sell it cheaper, while the ma and pa places as i call them have to pay more and charge more for the same product
They're not all making $8.00 per day. There's a whole class of people over there that graduated from college just as the government went free enterprise and a significant number of them are making more money that you or I ever dreamed of.
And not all that oil is going into cars. Industry and construction are big users.
Where I live, gasoline is now $4.47/gallon, and minimum wage is $3.16 per day. No wonder there were violent street protests in the major cities last week. Yet consumption has not diminished very much. Why? Because when you're that poor, you _have_ to get to work.
Caerus ( snipped-for-privacy@borg.ucsf.edu) wrote: : : [ Article reposted from rec.autos.4x4 ] : [ Author was Caerus ] : [ Posted on Sat, 1 Oct 2005 02:28:17 +0000 (UTC) ] : : The gas prices are too high here, we are paying $2.99 a gallon : here in the Bay Area for regular 87. So bad, I recently sold : my beloved '97 2dr Tahoe Sport for a smaller Pontiac. When : will this end? : : I will return to the 4x4 era when Chevy build a hybrid, most : likely Ford will first. : :
OK- time for a thread on mileage and 4x4s. Lets have ideas!
Lots of us are feeling the pinch since we actually need a four wheel drive vehicle for our work. Natural resource and environmental businesses -like mine- are especially feeling it. I've got a 220 mile (both ways) highway drive I take twice a week, with logging roads and river bars that have to be crossed once I'm at the work site. When it rains, such as now, rivers rise and some clearance is needed. Likewise when it snows or when you have to cross a water barred road. The most ideal vehicle I've seen - however imaginary - is a Subaru forester with another 3-4 inches of height and a place to carry a saw and shovel. Mileage is bearable. Vehicle's a bit small and too civilized inside for wet dirty clothes.
Currently driving a full size Bronco which is excellent in all respects but mileage. The last capable compact 4x4's I'm aware of were the Samarais. Diesel conversions? Doesn't seem to be possible for the Ford. Nissan X-Trail seems good but isn't imported into the US.
I know gas prices are high,and that stinks.Did you ever figure how long it would take to break even after buying another car? The price and Ins? You think your saving money,but your really not.
Just pat yourselves on the back and thank the Lord that you are not (like me) paying UK prices - 95 pence a LITRE for 95 RON unleaded (I think that equates to 93 Octane on your way of measuring it) - that's about $7.25 per US gallon!
How much of that is tax. I can't cite a reference, but I've read that though we pay less in the US, if you subtract the tax we pay a little more for the fuel itself.
I believe that without tax the price of the fuel is the cheapest in Europe and the fuel companies make the least profit on UK fuel sales - I understand the base price is around 12 pence per litre - around a dollar a gallon.
That's why in the UK now just about all garages are also supermarkets and/or shops of one sort or another. You can't buy a bloody set of spark plugs or a fan belt in a garage, but you can buy bread and pasta.
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