The mirror feature would be nice at least on the passenger side. Tilting
down to show you you're not about to run over anything. I don't do a
complete walkaround my vehicle every time I get in it. As for auto door
locking, why would you not want it to do that? I see no reason to have to
press the button on either the remote or door every time. The thing can
do it on it's own, as well as roll the windows up when you get out and the
doors lock. It would be a nice feature, I think.
Actually, it is equipped to do them. It's a computer that does all these
things, after all. I'm sure Chevy/GMC doesn't load custom software into
each vehicle base on options. They probably have an automated RF coding
system at the end of the assembly line that activates only what was
ordered. I don't have the equipment, knowhow, or experiance to try to
hack the brains of this thing. I'm hoping someone out here does.
On Fri, 04 Jul 2003 16:14:25 +0000, Steve Barker wrote:
Door locks and powered windows controled by computer???
Yeah right :-) Controled by your finger it is :-)
Maybe, MAYBE, on some vehicles equipped with memories for different
drivers you will have the powered mirrors controled by some kind of
memory device... but I'm not sure it can be called a computer ;-)
Where YOU been, slick? GM functions such as lights, indicators, door lock,
windows, seat memory, mirror postions have been increasingly controlled by
the body computer starting in 1999. Initially, those functions had to be
added or changed by having the computer reprogrammed at the dealer and there
have been many threads here over those years about people complaining how
much dealers charged for something as simple as changing the speed at which
the doors locked. Current models have allowed much more programmability by
Just make sure you never leave your keys on the seat by mistake.
The power locks won't activate now on my '03 GMC if the key is in the
ignition (anti-lockout protection) but that's about it.
If you leave them on the seat or center console, you're SOL.
Amen to that one! If you buy a vehicle that "can have" Onstar, do you get a
choice about whether or not it is on that vehicle? That is to say, is Onstar
Lack of Onstar is part of the reason I chose an S-10 over a full size truck.
It may be invalueable to have Onstar if you lock your keys out, but the
control they can exercise over a vehicle gives me (excuse the pun) the
I'm not paranoid about it or anything, but I do think that money can play a
big part in things. I'm sure nobody including the people at Onstar ever know
where all the vehicles are exactly (after all, that is a LOT of vehicles to
keep track of!) but I wouldn't be surprised if details about vehicles or
their approximate locations was compiled in aggregate, supposedly anonymous
form and possibly even sold for marketing purposes.
here's a better example...
download ad aware and look at the list of people compiling data on you
everytime you connect to the internet. If you've got kazaa, you've got
spyware called cydoor and BDE projector.
Heh...you guys, with your computers plugged into the internet, surfing and
posting to newgroups, your computer sending all kinds of data about your
computer use to Microsoft and god knows what other organizations. Census
takers, cell phone companies state, local and federal record keeping, credit
card companies, banks, real estate agencies.....
And you are worried about some guy in GM's ONSTAR center? LOL...
Sounds like *selective* paranoia to me...
Point taken. But let me issue you this friendly challenge....you come up
with as many instances of vehicle theft from ONSTAR-related incidents as you
can, and I will inundate you with instances of credit card or identity theft
from computer security problems. My point is that sitting there at your
computer connected to the internet, you have exposed yourself to a VASTLY
greater overall security risk with FAR worse consequences than ONSTAR ever
Spyware is nothing, and you surely don't think your computer is secure just
because you run Ad-Aware every time you start getting annoyed by pop-ups.
Check out Windows Update on your computer and find out how many security
flaws Microsoft has had to address in their various OS's and in Internet
Exploder over the last 6 months. If you haven't run Windows Update in the
last couple of weeks, I'd bet you'll find a Windows or IE security update.
If you run a Mac, or Linux, you are more secure from direct hacking, but the
online stores you visit aren't.
I'm not a huge ONSTAR fan. I've never paid for their premium service, and
IMHO it's doubtful that the basic annual resubscription fee is worth what
you get. However, security *from* ONSTAR is not something I drive down the
road worrying about. Unless you can demonstrate to me that ONSTAR has
*caused* practical, documented vehicle security problems, I'm going to save
my paranoia for the waitresses I hand my credit card to, or my online
shopping activities, or Bill Gates.
I agree that Mac or Linux are as hackable as Windows, but what I meant was
that the liklihood of getting your Mac hacked is lower than for a Windows
machine simply because the prevalance of Windows implies the prevalance of
I have to disagree on this one. You most cirtenly are more secure from
"direct hacking" with Linux (not sure about OS-X). Linux, by default,
does not allow for root access over anything other than local terminal.
Without root access, your prety much limited as to what you can do to the
system. Windows, on the other hand, defaults to allow everyone full
access to the system from anywhere. It may be true that a default Linux
distribution install may have some insecure openings, but the kernel
itself is locked down pretty tight and the system as a whole can be locked
farely easaly. Windows, even with the weely patches, is unsecurable
without a good firewall in front of it. I'll not get into what can be
done to an XP system.
Actually Bill, according to the nix guru's I have talked to,
Linux can be breached by a savvy hacker as easily as any other OS.
It just isn't.
We will have to agree to disagree on this one.
P.S.- Linux is THE most hacked platform, ask anybody in the know. WIth
thousands of people connected by the open source, the vulnerabilities tend
to spread like wildfire.
If Linux as a company was 1/8th the size of MS, we'd hear about the latest
and greatest attack/hack/vulnerability. Since Linux is nothing more than a
dying fad these days with a niche market, there's ne reason to go public on
all the media outlets with news of them.
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