Lot's of people are functionally illiterate, they can read but they do not
understand what they are reading. You are obviously one of them. And why do
you think I should know what you discuss with JPF. Who the fuck do you think
you are, a friggin celebrity? Not really, just lowly little spider, that's
I do not know who JPF is, what he does, what kind of business he runs etc.
And I do not care to find out either. I did not whine about his business
practices and did not know he existed until HE attacked my post. I was
merely responding to his attack and his incorrect IMO arguments.
So go back to fifth grade where you dropped out and take some comprehension
It seems that you are one of them. Since you are so damn smart, why
don't you help diagnose my Audi. Oh, that's right, you can't. You
pay a mechanic, like JPF, to do it for you. How bizarre.
Hey, Grammar Boy - when you learn the language, then you can throw
around those big words. Until that time, I'm just laughing at the
Because your diarrhea of the keyboard suggested I hadn't read the
whole thread. You're a thin-skinned idiot who need to have his head
slapped a bit. In addition, if you were as bright as you thought you
were, you'd know this exact same discussion has occurred before. But
you weren't here then, so your newbie ass doesn't know any damn thing.
I know I'm smarter than you, dipstick.
Oh. Ouch. I'm hurt. Why are so mean?
Then why do you call him a scammer, or suggest that he rips people
off? Are you just an idiotic asshole, or is something else wrong with
So you are willfully stupid. The worst kind of idiot.
It looked less like an attack than a counterpoint. I realize that you
took it personally, but hey, thin-skinned people take EVERYTHING
Your opinion sucks ass. It has no meaning, and you don't have value
as an alt.autos.audi poster. It wasn't an attack, but an explanation
of why he doesn't do it. I realize that you can't separate the two,
but so far, you haven't impressed with your intelligence.
You point out exactly what I'm not comprehending, and you'll have a
point. Well, two points. Your top of your head being the other one.
Only a complete imbecile could right it. So the people who cannot diagnose a
car aren't smart. And the people who can are geniuses. Go get your head
examined by a stupid doctor who may not be able to replace a Water Pump, but
may still sugest a correct medicine you certainly need.
Very nice move. I acknowledged myself, that English is my 3rd language, so
you turn it against me. How many languages do you know, professor?
My diarrhea? Go re-read your diarrhea in "A6 2.5 TDI 140bhp..." They are
right about you - grumpy lonely low life asshole, who has nothting better to
do then being a net-cop.
Can't be. My IQ is sure way above 50.
You sure have a right to disagree with my opinion. Any you may actually be
right, but then again...
maybe someone reading all this crap we've been posting here will realize,
that he can go out and buy parts on the internet. Maybe he did not realize
before it was possible or that the price difference was so significant..
Maybe he'll take the parts to JPF and when JPF refuses to install them he'll
say "fine, there are lots of good mechanics willing to install my parts for
me. I'll take my business to them". So maybe my posts here will have value
for these people.
And thanks to google, the posts will be stored forever. So more and more
people will find out they can do it, and less and less people will end up
paying rip-off prices for parts.
If you do need advise though, go to a place where audi enthusiasts hang
out - http://www.audiworld.com/forum/ You'll find more free advise then you
can handle, including where to buy parts on your own, what parts are
better/worse then OEM parts, how to install them on your own, why
stealerships suck, how people get ripped off on car repairs and how to get a
And there is no need to kiss anybody's butt, and there are no primadonnas
threatening to leave just because somebody disagreed with them.
What I normally need is advice (advise is a verb!).
Hmmm - I've looked at audiworld, there's some good info, but there seem
to be a great number of people who are just as big pratts as you are.
I think I'll stick with rs6.com, thanks - at least the people there are
friendly and knowledgeable on my particular model.
Peter Bell - email@example.com
Glad to know you are not going to be left totally helpless with JPF leaving
all because of me.
Thanks for advice on advice vs advise. English is actually my third language
and I do appreciate people correcting my mistakes.
Oh my god, so I will never be priveledged to be overcharged by you? I will
now be forced to go to another shop where they will do exactly the same job
for half the price. I am so distressed, I'll never be able to get over this
You guys are a class act. I posted a suggestion to save some money by buying
parts on the internet. That's all I did. Since when suggesting how to save
money is a bad thing to do? A couple of guys figure out that it will cut in
their profits and get all worked up about it. So what, this does not make me
wrong. You do not have to use my suggestion of course, be my guest, pay the
full (list) price on parts but do not blame me for the fact the guy is
pissed off. For the record his contributions to this NG in the last half a
year were virtually nonexistant - long before I made my post.
That makes both of us. I also prefer competent mechanics and I am happy to
pay premium in terms of his hourly rate. What exactly does it have to do
with rip-off prices on Audi parts at Audi dealerships?
It's a fine suggestion. I do it myself. No problem so far...
Oops, I guess here's where you lose your memory. Saying that charging
retail is a "ripoff" is where you stepped on your dick.
When you accuse folks like JPF of being dishonest.
After you call them scammers, what did you expect? Kisses?
Sure it does. Being frugal is not the same as claiming people are
"ripping you off."
Since you are the one throwing around accusations, maybe you should
just shut up while you are behind.
And yours have been non-existent forever. So shut up already.
Out of pocket, what difference does it make if a guy has a lower shop
rate, but charges list on parts? That's right, NOTHING. So get over
If you don't like to pay, don't. If you think Audi parts are
expensive, you don't know shit about car parts. Price out BMW or M-B
parts sometime. Lexus, Acura, etc., etc. They're all right in there
with Audi. If you don't like it, buy an early '80s VW, and fix the
damn thing yourself.
I understand that "you don't get it." It's idiots like you that make
independent mechanics look at everyone who walks through the door as a
If I rephrase it that retail prices are ripoff - will this make you happy?
And that when one gets charged retail - he gets ripped off, whoever does it
What's you problem, you are not JPF, you playing a net-cop again, or just
kissing JPF's butt for a free advice? I am sure JPF can speak for himself,
and he actually did.
Anyway, as I said it is not about JPF, I do not know him. I do find practice
of charging rip-off retail price dishonest. I do think that if a part costs
$70 on the internet - selling it it for $80 is fine, but $170 is a rip-off.
JPF happened to defend the practice, I defended my point of view. Mechanics
and dealerships not willing to accept customers with their parts are
dishonest in MY book.
It sure beats the guy charging HIGHER" labor rate and list on parts.
Other then that a guy charging an hourly rate, he's comfortable with and
letting me save a few bucks on parts is honest, the guy claiming lower rate,
but not willing to take me with my parts, cause he has a hidden profit in it
is NOT honest. This again is in MY book.
Yep, in his post JPF mentioned that a mechanic has to deal with idiots all
day long. What a nice way to refer to one's customers. Then again if he
weeds out educated consumers capable of buying parts on their own, he may
well end up with idiots only.
Why won't mechanics start thinking what general public thinks of them for a
change? Like why are they considered one of the most dishonest professions
in every opinion poll, together with used card dealerships and lawyers? And
why the biggest number of complaints about ripoffs are related to car
Discussing linguistic nuances of the English language here on alt.autos.audi
with car mechanics and their nephew's roommates would certainly be the most
ridiculous thing to do, let me just point out, that your definition is that
of a criminal act like theft or fraud, it sure isn't definition of ripoff.
If you pay $100 for an item and find out you could have gotten it for $90,
you are right it is not a ripoff. But if you paid $170 and then find out
that it could be had for $70 - it would be very common for everybody and his
roommate's uncle to say "you got ripped off, buddy".
Other then that, I really do not care. If you and your roommate's uncle
believe only idiots buy on the internet, that's fine with me. Don't. When
your 2000 S4 is due for WP/TB - go to your dealer, pay $600 for parts and
$800 for labor and make your dealer laugh all the way to the bank. He sure
will not call you a cheapskate, cause you are not. He has a more appropriate
name of sucker for you, you know.. the one who's born every minute.
And do not forget to get a good laugh yourself with your roommate and his
uncle at the idiots who buy parts on the internet and got the same exact
parts and same exact service for half the price. They've got to be real
morons, those internet buyers...
No, because they are not. The phrase "rip-off" implies fraud. Now, I
understand that English is not your first language, so I can see how
you might be confused as to the slang term and it's implications.
No, nobody gets ripped off. Everything is right up front - nothing is
hidden. Do try and learn how to use the language before you berate
others for their reading comprehension, OK?
Hey, genius - did you not realize that this is PUBLIC forum, and that
your writings are read by several people other than yourself? If you
don't want others to comment, then don't use USENET to send personal
I don't play Net Cop, but thanks for asking.
Where did I claim to speak for JPF? Just another wild fantasy on your
Then it might be wise to think before you press the "send" button.
Just a helpful suggestion.
Why? If the price is clearly marked, where is the dishonesty? Hey,
dimwit - price markup is the way capitalism works. Don't like it?
Move to a communist country. Like China. Ooops, bad example.
Vietnam? Dang, missed again.
Except that there's nothing dishonest about it. That's the price -
pay it or don't.
Your point of view is stupid and wrong. JPF might be restrictive in
his business practices, but that doesn't make your view of what is and
is not a "rip-off" meaningful.
Which means exactly what? That's right, nothing.
Does it? If the guy gets the job done right the first time, and can
get you in the shop at a reasonable time, and can explain things to
your wife such that *she* understands what is done, what's the price
of that? You're one of those fools who knows the price of everything
and the value of nothing.
Only if you have a misconception about what the word "honest" means.
WHAT hidden profit? The price for the whole damn deal is right out in
front of you. In the U.S., most states require an estimate be
accurate within a certain percent, and then if the cost of the job is
over that, they have to get your permission to proceed! Where is
What if they are idiots? If the customer comes back, then what the
fuck do you care?
It doesn't take half a brain to find cheap Audi parts on the 'net.
Any hillbilly and his wife (sister) could do it. Why do you think it
takes anything more than a computer and an ability to type?
Because morons like you think you know every damn thing, when the
reality is that you don't.
And then prove that a public poll signifies anything other than
proving the point that "people are stupid".
Not because of part prices. Want to know what the deal is there? I
tell you, but I'll type really slow, so you can follow along:
Most dishonest shops do work that isn't needed. By mistake or on
purpose, THAT is the reason complaints are made. I'll bet you have a
fit trying to figure out how the wrong work gets done by mistake.
Take your time to figure it out.
Re: Re: Audi A4 timing belt
The hourly labor set by a shop is figured on a percentage of income brought in
by the profit of parts! It always has been that way! If you bring your parts to
me I will charge you extra! Simple math! 23 year Audi Tech
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 03:27:42 GMT, Pronto Breakneck
I just got off the phone with the dealer, and this is apparently a
coincidence. On the 1.8T, the water pump isn't driven by the timing
belt, so changing the belt and tensioner isn't going to have any
effect on the pump.
So, now I get to crawl around and find out where the coolant is
actually leaking from. Joy.
I have the latest bulletin in front of me dated 5th June '01, 90,000 km's or
4 years whichever comes first!
My A4, '97 model only 47,000 km's, I'm going to have it and the water pump
done in the next few months.....
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