Cost of repair Audi BMW Saab...(crossposting)

Duhhhh.... No, I don't, Fred. I included the HP numbers as evidence of the motors having "similar power figures".

They're pretty damn close in that regard, as well. I'd post the car's weights, but I'm afraid you'd sarcastically ask me whether I thought if weight was a very good indicator of efficiency.

Huh?

How is it's torque "ridiculous", JP?

Huh?

What?

Same for the BMW, genius.

"Imad Al-Ghouleh" wrote

The subject was touched on in "Re: How much does an OEM e46 M3 hood weigh??" Think of it in the context of how much weight is on the rear wheels (or front wheels). When you lift your foot from the throttle, what happens: you are no longer causing a weight transfer to the rear of the car. If the lessened weight causes the rear tires to lose their grip *while the tires have a lateral load* (ie, you're in a turn), the rear will slip and the rear of the car will rotate towards the outside of the turn, resulting in oversteer (the car turns more than you've turned the wheel.)

FloydR

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In the case of an M3, it is more the to the point mentioning that oversteer is generally the result of applying a generous amount of HP on the rear wheels at the beginning of a turn (ESP off), applying steering correction and then carry on modulating with the accelerator pedal and steering as the need demands.

Thank you. Why anyone would decide to play the "my car has more airbags than yours" game in a thread on Audi/BMW/Saab repairs is beyond me. Maybe Roberts, here, is doing a research paper on how many times he can totally divert a thread with non sequiturs ...

Same here. She even brags about it to her friends. BTW, you managed to snip off the *number* of the BMW up there: "507". No bags, no roll bars, popup or otherwise, no 'soft' or 'rounded' controls inside. Owner-added lap belts. Known leaky carbs (from the factory!) with the gas ducted from a catch tray down onto the ground. "EPA? Who's that?" Still, BMW's best 1959 drive.

-- C.R. Krieger (Been there; drove that.)

Thanks for the praise but if you check the posts in this thread, the one who started talking airbags when we were discussing RWD, FWD and AWD was Krieger:

////A stunning non sequitur. Even if it weren't a hopelessly desperate /////attempt to change the subject, *who the hell cares*? Driving *any* /////car is inherently unsafe! My BMW doesn't have *any airbags* - and I /////*like it* that way!////

When I wrote safest I was thinking of active safety, not airbags!

OK; you're on. Want to match autocross moves? Your Audi. My ancient BMW. Maybe you'd prefer to compare lap times at Road America ...

-- C.R. Krieger (Threshold brakes)

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Now you will talk speed, not safety :)! Interesting enough that you mention threshold braking though, because I think that's something many people should learn to do. I don't doubt your BMW might be faster if you chose the road or circuit, but if I was granted the privilege of choosing my own road, then things would be very different.

You think so? Whaddya want? Sears Point? Going to the Sun Highway? Sebring? München to Interlaken? Watkins Glen? Yellowstone to Jackson Hole? Mid Ohio? Loveland Pass? The Amalfi Drive? Lime Rock? Oaxaca to Veracruz? Ohio 555? Aosta to the Matterhorn? I haven't even been to all those places (the most anal retentive researchers might discover it's all but one), but I'm ready.

-- C.R. Krieger (Been there; drove that)

I have owned all three makes. My current car is a 01 A6. repair costs for all are about the same, the difference is in how often they require repair. Now you can get complaints about every make and model out there, so you must understand this. here are the cars I have owned

A6 4.2 (current) 42k miles- no repairs

BMW 525 sold with 107K, in the shop one time for shocks, and lower control arms.

Audi 90 Q In the shop three times, once for starter, ignition switch and another for cat. converter. Sold for the Bimmer, great car though.

Audi 90 Q. same car as above, never in the shop until an accident at

Saab 900 convt. A/c o-ring replaced at 24k under warranty

So, drive each car, find as much as you can about it both the model and the specific car. call the VIN into a friendly dealer and they can help you with repair info. check the car out. any of these can be great, but as with any car they can also be nightmares. I am probably the only one on the earth that had a lemon of a honda, so you can never tell

spinny

I've never met either of you, so I have no idea of your driving abilities. It would be interesting for you to race on any of those roads, exchange cars, and do it over again. That would help eliminate driver skill from the equation, assuming you were both fairly competent, and let the virtues of the vehicles be seen. That's what this thread was originally about, right? Well, no, but it would be an interesting comparison anyway. But then again, I'm not sure what model BMW and Audi you guys own - if the BMW was an older powerful RWD sportscar (like the 507) that was

- Byron

Just let me know when you're in Europe.

That shouldn't be too difficult, only 2500 miles across ;-)