Dave is commenting on the fact that no BMW ever made has ever
had a V6. The car is being sold by a dealer that doesn't know that
they are an I6 (Inline 6). I'd be wary of the dealer and sales staff.
I'd be wary of anything about them.
OTOE, the cars are excellent, the engine is bullet-proof, the
auto transmission is ok. Many complaints about the I-Drive
and Navy system. Many complaints about the styling; although
new Honda Accords look almost identical to the 5-year old
Main thing is to check the maintenance records. BMW's "free"
maintenance is "free" because it's very minimal and does not include
differential, brake, transmission and coolant changes in most circumstances.
It also includes oil changes only every 15K miles/1 Year.
No - the ad is wrong. It has a straight six engine. BMW's 'trademark'.
As regards aftermarket warranties my view is they are generally poor
value for money with a low pay out to income ratio. One report I read
reckoned on only 10% - which means you have a 10:1 chance of not even
breaking even on the deal. Of course all insurance is a gamble but I
prefer better odds than that. If you decide to go ahead read the
exclusions carefully. If you can find details, that is. Ignore the banner
headlines which tell you what they cover - you need to know what they
BMW offer a good warranty on their used cars but it is very expensive.
Cheaper ones won't cover as well.
*There are 3 kinds of people: those who can count & those who can't.
Dave Plowman firstname.lastname@example.org London SW
You may be in the USA and this accounts for you idiotic thinking that BMW would
actually make a small number of V6 engines especially for you.
WBANA73545CR57897 NA73 5 series E60 (body style) Saloon 530i M54 Engine - inline
6 dohc 3.0 ltr) USA L N 2004/12 (build date)
This is the BMW spec of the car you gave the link to - obviously the dealer is
also a fool.
Sir Hugh of Bognor
The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.
Sources for "pre-owned" BMW's in order of preference:
CPO car from BMW dealer. The car has to pass a pretty thorough inspection
to qualify and it gets a six-year, 100,000 mile warranty (the six years is
from FIRST purchase date). Car's maintenance WILL be documented.
Car from reputable private party, preferably found through BMWCCA or
similar. Car's maintenance should be documented and it would be nice if it
exceeded BMW requirements. PS. If the "owner" suggests you meet at a
parking lot somewhere, run, don't walk away, from the deal.
Car from major luxury brand dealership (Lexus, etc). They get nice
Everything and everyone else. (this one qualifies.) This is where some
really interesting machines (Salvage titles, flood damaged cars, etc) get
turned over. Maybe, maybe not, but you'll never know.
Does the car have maintenance records? It's coming due for Insp 1.
R / John
Good point. Fluid flush and refill for sure (every two years ... one if you
suffer Freudian issues). Brakes are very much driving style and environmet
independent. I've got 70K on my first set and there's still quite a bit
R / John
The inline six as in the BMW has an honored history. I'm not sure which
marque introduced it first, but Roll Royce offered a seven liter six in its
Silver Ghost, circa 1907. Chevy got on the bandwagon in 1929, BMW in 1933.
Even Ferrari had an I-6 (the type 118 and 121 of 1955).
The I-6 has the inherent advantage of primary and secondary balance. The
run smooth. Many of the great cars, and great racing cars, have been
equipped with an I-6. The disadvantage is length which creates installation
problems. They tend to be a bit heavier than a V-6 and the long crank must
be well supported to avoid flexing.
The V-6 is a more recent design. First introduced by Lancia in the Aurelia
in 1950. Made its mark with the F-1 Ferrari Dino with Mike Hawthorn's
championship season. Inherently unbalanced, it works best in a 60 or 120
degree configuration to minimize vibration (most modern V-6's use balance
shafts to counteract vibration). The V-6 is compact, light and its
popularity in auto use is only exceeded by the I-4 configuration. It's
particularly advantagous in front wheel drive installations (Ala Camry and
The I-6 is relatively rare in modern cars. Toyota had a nice one (Supra and
the G-300), but rather than develop it, turned to the more compact V-6.
It's been the signature engine for BMW for years, but with the demand for
more and more power, has gradually been superceded by the V-8's (with an
occasional V-12 and now V-10 at the top of the heap).
R / John
The inline eights persisted into the fifties in the U.S. with Packard and
Pontiac building the last ones in 1954 (Buick replaced theirs with a V-8
after 1953). But never having heard of one before, I am curious about the
inline twelves - who built them?
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