Purely my personal opinion but I wouldn't bother. I just bought a new Panda
diesel for less than £7k and it goes just as well and has a three year
If someone runs a car for 170k he might as well run it 'till it dies. It is
certainly not worth much IMO. A big expensive car to buy new, like the 5, is
still a big expensive car with 170k on the clock and any major fault is
likely to cost a fair percentage of the worth of the car.
I wouldn't pay more than 3k for it. The last owner has had his moneys worth
out of it and should he decide to sell it, he should just take it on the
chin like a man.
There might well be nothing wrong with it, but whenever I sell a car with
that mileage it is because I sniff a big bill on the near horizon and I want
rid of it quick otherwise I'd obviously keep it.
If it is a dealer that is selling it, he has probably paid next to nothing
for it, the money he gets is probably the profit on it and the last car and
possibly the car before that in a chain. It could also be that you have a
car to exchange for it and he is pricing it high enough so he can pretend to
give you what you want for yours while actually having your old banger in
with a margin allowing him to scrap it.
Only you know the circumstances.
It is smaller, I'll grant you. It doesn't have I-Drive and all that jazz but
it does have most of the other toys and its engine is more refined than a
BMW four pot.
But no, it doesn't compete in the same sector. However unless you are a
badge snob or just blinded by the brand then if you tried it you would be
impressed. If room for five adults is not a priority then the Panda is an
amazing tool and I couldn't care less which car I drive as long as it is a
From an ownership perspective I would prefer the new Panda to a 170k mile 5
series. I run vehicles to high milage but I would never actually buy a 170k
car for anything other than banger money on principle even if it was only
five years old. There is just so much choice out there. But feel free to
differ. It is just a personal thing. If it had some 90k miles at that price
I would consider it but with nearly double that mileage then for me, it has
to be banger money. Nothing wrong with it mind you and it would be good for
many years of moderate mileage yet in all probability, but it needs to be
cheap and 7k is nowhere cheap enough.
I have had two of those so I do know them. And no, the BMW six is not as
refined under load as a fiat multijet which has six injection phases for
each injector and each injection of fuel.
I have driven previous and current generation 5 series. I'm not into E
But the City Rover is cheap and nasty. It is a Tata Indica and it shows. Not
comporable in technology, quality or anything really.
I have two friends who have had major problems with their fuel pumps on BMW
diesels. This is not unique to BMW but it is a serious issue and potentially
very costly. The turbo's are also very costly items should they fail, which
I would not pay big money for one with nearly 200k on the clock, simple as
that. It may well have a good few years of relitively trouble free life left
in it but the fact is that it is high mileage and is not worth a lot.
However it is worth prcisely what someone is willing to pay for it and I
would pay less for it than the asking price if I wanted it at all.
I would not hesitate buying it new and running it to such a mileage but I
would consider it worth more to me than to anyone else at that mileage. I
would only sell it if a big bill or failure was felt to be imminent, and
that is a hint to watch out as I feel many sellers would do the same.
IMO you're talking nonsense. 170k is not that high a mileage for a BMW.
My '94 5 series has done over 160k. I'd defy anyone to guess it's mileage
from it's condition, or the way it drives.
As for preferring a diesel Panda. It might be newer and have a guarantee,
but I know which I'd prefer to drive. If the only interest is getting from A
to B a Panda is fine, but I want a car that is nice to drive, quiet and
comfortable. My older car gives me that, as I've no doubt the car the OP is
considering does as well.
Mileage alone is a poor indication of a cars practical value or mechanical
As for repairs, maybe the subject car will need a few quid spent on it, but
at least it's value will only drop slowly over the next few years. Your car
has cost you probably well over a 1k in devaluation already.
Given the choice between your car and the subject BMW, I know which I would
choose, and it wouldn't be a budget priced Panda that'll probably be only
worth peanuts in less than 10 years
It is high mileage. Plenty of life in it yet but that is not the point.
It is a '94 vintage car so is not worth more than a Grand whatever its
I have a choice and I do like a bit of variety. By choice my favourite of
all cars from Jag XK8 to BMW x5 to Range Rover to Audi Quattro to all kinds
of other motors is my Land Cruiser. OK it is again different to the Panda or
a BMW 5 but it is what I prefer. But I don't drive it all the time.
I would certainly choose the Panda rather than my friends Jaguar X diesel as
it is more refined and less pretentious while losing nothing in any way
If the only interest
Panda scores on all points.
My older car gives me that, as I've
It will be worth £3500 in three years time so assuming 15000 miles per year
it will cost 8ppm and insurance is group 2 while it does between 60 and 70
mpg. It is quiet, comfortable and handles well.
Assuming the BMW does 45000 miles in three years it will be worth what? In
my opinion it will be unsaleable. Not a problem if he intends to keep it
until he scraps it.
I'm just putting my point of view here and I don't feel it is important and
I am sure if the OP buys it and takes pride in it, he will have a good few
years of happy, if not cheap motoring.
Who cares if it will be worth peanuts in ten years. It is worth peanuts new.
BMW - nice drive.
Panda - no first hand experience, but roll, limited grip, underpowered, not
a total condemnation since the braking performance of the Panda is probably
equivalent to the BMW ('you canna change the laws of physics'*)
BMW - quiet
Panda - I doubt it, especially if the Panda is a diesel.
BMW - comfortable - true! Probably AC.
Panda - narrow, poor leg room, thin seat squab, limited suspension
capability, to be fair god headroom, open the window for fresh air...
Yes the Panda scores [badly] on all points.
None of those is true. It is very light and it amazes every passenger with
not a total condemnation since the braking performance
The Panda diesel is quieter than either of my BMW diesels which were an X5
and my current Range Rover. There is more road noise though but no worse
than most German cars up to 3 series size and less than many equivelent
Japanese models especially Mazda.
My Panda does not have AC but it is commonly available on a variation on my
model and on the next trim level up.
It does have programmed wash/wipe with an extra delayed wipe, auto wipers
and lights available. It has a variable delay 'get to your door' light
system. A fully featured driver information display with fuel consumption
etc. No electric leather seats and stuff I grant you.
Yes. Only a four seater
poor leg room, thin seat squab, limited suspension
Surprisingly none true.
to be fair god headroom, open the window for fresh air...
That is how they get so much leg room. Ventialtion is good and
aircon/climate is an option for those that feel the need.
I've had a few cars in my time and it certainly does not score badly. It is
a bit of a revelation, especially in the diesel form where it is the
fastest, most economical and superbly refined model.
A VW diesel is like a 1970's tractor by comparison.
Hell, I'm not trying to get you to buy a new Panda. All I was trying to do
was put a perspective on a 170,000 mile 5 series. If someone really wants a
5 they will probably not buy a Panda [although I have made stranger
decisions in my time]. Of course they won't.
in all fairness i have also had many vehicles, last year i had a 500s
mercedes but whilst in italy on a trip i borrowed a new panda for a few days
and was really suprised, yes an excellent car, suprisingly comfortable and i
am over 6" tall.
Even if you didn't know that Fiat makes the Panda, then a simple web
search on something like "car panda" would have got you way more
information than you need to answer the question. It's quite simple
really. Maybe your grandchild could show you how to do it.
Just to go further OT, you might find a reference to small UK police cars
being called 'Pandas'. Started when they decided to motorise local police
who before might have been on push bikes. They used light blue Morris
Minors with the doors painted white.
*You can't teach an old mouse new clicks *
Dave Plowman email@example.com London SW
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 18:02:51 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
I remember it well. Before that police cars were proper, big cars
like Jaguars, Humbers, Wolseleys and Austin Westminsters. I remember
there was quite a fuss about panda cars spelling the end of PC Plod on
foot or on his bicycle, especially in rural areas.
I don't think we need to spin Mr. Ditzy's crank any faster just now
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