have a look at what the top US carmakers sell you to protect yourself, a
nice big Durango maybe??? I think not.
Ford F150?? even worse!
so how can they be as deadly as a neon???
because they are crap!
No offense to Americans, but the cars are not competitive in fuel economy or
Guys, whoa! settle down.
I would say that watching the videos is very close to useless without seeing
the data retrieved from the vehicle and especially, the dummy. Although it
looks horrible when a car crumples, part of that is expending energy that
will be energy your body doesn't have to deal with. I'm not saying I enjoyed
watching the 2001 F150, shit, I own a 2000 model and it made me sick. The
2001 F150 is w/o a doubt, a horrible performer from the video, shit, the
seat comes forward and smashes the damn driver! That one doesn't take a
rocket scientist to decipher but I do believe most of them do. Think about
it this way, a totally rigid car delivers 100% of the impact to the
occupants. From there you can easily comprehend that it's not just about the
visual, it's much more.
I would say that the full, tabulated results by the NHTSA would be much more
useful than ooohhhing and aahhhhing over videos.
Just my 2 cents.
and for the record, regardless of where I live, I am on my 3rd and 4th BMWs
at the moment, I learned after driving American crap when i was younger.
So if i was American, nothing would be different, I don't see why you need
to be bash a country, I bashed carmakers, NOT the USA, there is a big
difference in the real world.
Wow, this is veeeery important for this issue... How about just saying it;
American cars with some exceptions (like Voyager, Cherokee, Corvette...) can
be sold only on north American market.
They are slow, they have extremely poor fuel economy, their suspension
sucks, you name it, and no major market such as European or Japanese doesn't
Only two good thing; they are cheap and can stand solid mileage (an that's
no wonder when you have 4,0 V8 with 200 hp :-D )
Are you so stupid to find this fact offensive?
It's a good idea to drive a little Japanese/Ford/whatever shopping
machine once a year to remind yourself why you're in a BMW for the
of the year. by John Burns.
'98 328i coupe
They're thinking how to be competitive in fuel economy:
Now, let's see if they can keep those hydraulic cylinders from going flying
during a crash. :)
Or much else
twenty years ago I visited the west coast with my boss.
we got to stay over a weekend, so decided to hire a car to do some sight
seeing in particular Mt. St. Helens. We went to a major car hire company.
At the time my car was a BMW 735i with a 5 speed manual gearbox. I won't
bore a BMW group with its qualities, but once I got it up to 145mph on the
clock (with a yank in the passenger seat) and it was steady as a rock.
My boss wanted something a little sporty so we were offered two cars: -
a Pontiac Firebird 2 door coupe (IIRC), which I could not even fit into to
a Pontiac Grand Am 3.0 a car so poor that a brief description is
engine - 3 litre V6 injection, with lots of pipework etc. under the bonnet.
Its output was pathetic and that was before we clogged the air filters with
volcanic dust. Thirsty.
gearbox - 3 speed automatic - nuf said
handling - appalling - on winding roads you had to open the window and
listen for the tyres squealing to have any idea whether it was holding on
(or more likely not).
Brakes - worked.
Comfort - two doors rear seats were a joke.
Probably one of the worst cars I have ever driven.
You can still buy one of these in the USA for ~$1500 second hand. Aside of
resale I would not have paid this much for one then, when just about any car
then built in the EU was better on every front.
US cars have improved over two decades, but the only ones I have seen
marketed in the UK are the Neon (poor) and the PT cruiser (not much better).
No wonder GM and Ford are in a spin in the USA.
Is this really so? Ford invented the Macpherson strut suspension and it
appeared on some UK Fords in '50. If you meant IRS, you might be right -
but a solid rear axle doesn't cause shimmy. Nor does a beam front axle
either, come to that.
*Arkansas State Motto: Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Don't Laugh.
Dave Plowman firstname.lastname@example.org London SW
Hell, the original post was probably crossposted to as many different
groups as he has access to. That being said, the idea of his post was
never to have any kind of a dialogue. Just another idiot out to cause
a ruckus and then sit back and watch...
Yes, we call them TROLLS. There are a lot of other cars made in Europe
that were not included in this test and to say "Look at American Crap"
is pure ignorance. Cars need to be tested in price ranges as well.
On another point...The insurance industry has no business crash testing
cars as they only tell you what they want you to hear.
Example- Peugeot 505 was rated the worst car ever tested (that was
before the F-150). It really motivated me to sell my Peugeot's until I
went over all of the crash data. Even though the door frame bent I
found that bodily injury was far less than the car with the highest
rating. How can this be? Then it hit me; the insurance industry was
focused on cars that were re-buildable as being top performers, and
those that were not rebuildable got poor marks even though the bodily
injury was low.
I am not saying to distrust what they do in the testing, I just think
that all of the data needs to be addressed instead of selective
I trust the insurance industry completely. After all, wouldn't you
stay in business year after year if you lost BILLIONS every year. I
also trust the US government and that asshole that somehow got
re-elected to a position he was never elected to in the first place.
Now, before I get jumped on, I am an American citizen that currently
resides in the United States of the Offended. I deal with all the
bullshit here and am just waiting for the next opportunity to go to
the polls and say it's NOT okay.
Anyhow, you are right, the insurance companies will tell you what
they want you to hear. If it affects thier business in any way they
will try to steer your decisions. They have thier dirty little fingers
deep in the government (probably all over the world) and have way too
much power to control decisions. Between them and the energy industry,
I'm not sure who's worse...
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