brake/engine/park light error code ?

"AWN" schreef in bericht news:C38CB86B.10802% snipped-for-privacy@spamnomore.stopit...

Hi mr. AWN, I appreciate your help.

Tomorow morning I will gather the information that might be helpfull and post it over here.

With respect to the other people that propose to replace the oxigen sensor... that seems to me not appropriate, as it is not a 13 code that flashes in diagnostic mode. No, It is a code that looks like 13, but it flashes always! So no diagnostic mode has been entered. And also it seems to flash from the wrong indicator to be a 13.

However, just replacing stuff on wild guesses might end up with me having a brand new Chevy. Maybe not a bad idea after all :-)

So I will dig-up VIN numbers and model info and post it tomorrow. Maybe also do the papercip routine once more for reference too.

Regards, Thomas

"nonsense" schreef in bericht news:4a0bd$4768085a$49e5d1f$ snipped-for-privacy@DIALUPUSA.NET...

Dear mr. 'nonsense' you have been calling me a liar, and now you put me in a specific corner again.

Look at the advise above: order a new oxigen sensor! All presumably derived from a code 13.

Be advised that my make and model will display stored errorcodes when grounding terminal B from the ALCL/ALDL, by signalling onto the 'Service Engine Soon' light. I told in the first post that the code I was referencing is always on and that is is flashing from the Park/Brake/Engine light. So it is not the code

13 as documented in the ECM sheets.

So I think you are not the technical specialist you want me to beleive, because you make wrong assumptions all the way. And also I am under the impression that you can not read properly. (This can not be my bad english) because my fist post made this all clear.

Maybe my latin is better than my english.... 'Nomen est Omen'

Thomas

The problem is that there is NO Park/Brake/Engine light. Not on any GM. There is one light that is the Brake/Parking brake light and a separate light for the engine. If it is a 94 or older the Service Engine light will flash the trouble codes if you jumper terminal B to ground. The Brake light will flash if you jumper terminal H to ground IF you have some type of ABS.

If it is 95 or newer the only codes you can get are ABS codes and then only on certain ABS systems. Engine codes need a scan tool.

"Steve W." schreef in bericht news:fk9op0$pro$ snipped-for-privacy@aioe.org...

Thanks for poining that out. It is possible that we mean the same light here. It is read, it is located to the left of the yellow Service Engine light, it reads Park and Brake ánd it has a r3d symbol that I interpreted as Engine, but maybe that is a mistake.

It is older than 94 and I ground nothing ! The code is always there on ignition on.

I'm glad to help Thomas. As for the comment below on repeating codes, that's the way that the OBD1 computer 'reports them'. Now, there could be two different codes that are being reported?? When you say that it flashes from the wrong indicator, what exactly do you mean??

If parts avail is a massive concern, you might try checking out some online supplier/distributors such as: www.rockauto.ocm

Take care, Andrew.

I know some OBD1 (most) vehicles will flash the check engine light when:

1) a major misfire is detected (this may only be OBD2 so don't quote me) 2) the oil pump is running dry (aka, there may be either a sensor short, bad oil pump, or a low oil condition) - I have seen this more than once. 3) Is it possible that someone may have grounded a powered circuit from the computer causing damage? (I have also seen this more than once).

Question:

When you brought the van in for service, was the light on the dash blinking that code 13? OR did this get 'stuck' on after you guys grounded the computer to retrieve the codes?

As a previous poster as well as others have asked, please tell us in simple terms what drivability problems you are having. Does it fail to accelerate properly, back fire, rev too high, have starting problems, brake inadequately, have poor fuel economy, leak fuel or any other fluids?

The fact that it's pre-94 pretty much nails it down to either a code 13 for an O2 sensor, a major problem like above listed, or a defective computer. The only brake code you would get I believe on that vehicle would be a solid brake light warning if you were critically low on fluid.

Thanks, Andrew.

Thomas,

Thank-you. More than likely you have an intermittent short or open in the harness going to your O2 sensor. By disconnecting the battery, your mechanic simply 'reset' the computer and hence 'erased' the codes. The key now is to see if the light comes back on.

My guess is that filling the brake fluid would do nothing for an OBD1 CEL code#13. Now, the fact that you've planned a mountain voyage means that bleeding/servicing the brakes was a good idea anyway.

Supposing you were to get the code 13 back again. Here's the real worst case scenarios:

1) decreased fuel economy 2) possible midline rpm cut off 3) excessive heat build up in cat from unburned fuel igniting - you'll be running very rich 4) your catalytic converter (aka, 'expensive piece of your exhaust likely in NL) will fail prematurely. 5) forget about passing an emissions test I would imagine but under some instances you may actually pull it off

The good news is that a non-functional O2 sensor will not kill you in the mountains. Low brake fluid, seized calipers, or poorly serviced braking systems will.

Take care - glad you sorted it out for now.

Andrew.

"AWN" schreef in bericht news:C38FEA4E.109CC% snipped-for-privacy@spamnomore.stopit...

When you say that it flashes

What I meant is that the error code should flash from the 'Service Engine Soon' light. And only when the readout terminal is grounded.

In my case I had not ground any port and the 13 was flashing from the park/Brake light.

So it seems the wrong light, whatever happened.

Yes I am glad the brake system has been thoroughly checked. And for your doom scenario: The van runs on LPG, maybe that makes it less worse on emission testing :-)

Thomas

"AWN" schreef in bericht news:C38FEC83.109CF% snipped-for-privacy@spamnomore.stopit...

Someone before stated this light does not exist :-)

I did bring in the van for service, because of the intemitting code 13. Not because of any problem. There was no problem I could notice. And to be clear: No terminal was grounded to get this code. It just appeared while ignition was on and motor running and it never went away for a few months. (Until last week that is, when the battery was disconnected)

As stated above: No irregulatories, just a code 13 always on!

Thomas

Ok what you are seeing is the red light that means you have a problem with the service brakes or the ABS system. If it is flashing as soon as you turn the key on the problem is in the ABS system. Probably there is air in the ABS unit causing the system to fail to reach operating pressure on the accumulator side.

The Brake light will flash if

Then the problem is constant and the system is failing during the self test.

The problem IS NOT an engine code. The RED light he was seeing is the Brake/Parking brake and ABS warning light in the vans. The other item is that he was seeing the light flash as soon as the key was turned on without putting the ECM into service mode using a jumper. Not going to happen with any of the OBD types.

The Check engine light does exist. It is YELLOW and located to the left of the RED brake light you were seeing flash.

The light you were seeing is the parking brake/service brake waring light. The flashing is because the ABS part of the system had a problem. Likely bleeding it will take care of the problem unless the pump or accumulator circuit in the ABS unit is bad.

"Steve W." schreef in bericht news:fkeh3p$ae6$ snipped-for-privacy@aioe.org...

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Funny, as this make and model does not have ABS. (And I know, because I had a few slide experiences in the past :-)

"Steve W." schreef in bericht news:fkegl2$8r9$ snipped-for-privacy@aioe.org...

As stated before: This van has no ABS.!

The VIN you posted showed that your van has or had rear wheel anti-lock on it. OH well at least it is fixed and your happy. Have a good holiday.

Steve,

I stand corrected (as usual). I was taking the OP's statement about having no ABS at face value. This makes much more sense. I was thinking maybe a crapped out oil pump or misfire and I was dead wrong. Thanks for setting all of us straight (well... Me anyway).

Have a good holiday and an ever better New Year.

Andrew.

Now that he's had several people jumping through hoops for him with a description that was flawed in the first place, never getting much better, and then he took it to an apparently competent mechanic anyway (after crying that there weren't any available,) one who seems to have actually fixed the problem, I stand by what I said in this thread earlier.

I'm not ashamed that I don't suffer fools gladly.

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