How can I eliminat the captcha?

Pete E. Kruzer wrote: User-Agent: G2/1.0

You are currently accessing a usenet newsgroup via comcast connectivity using a Mac Safari browser logged into googlegroups GG. That - GG - is a very bad way to read and post to newsgroups; it would be far superior to use an nntp newsserver and newsreader.

The captcha is a tool used by GG interface as a countermeasure against automated malware which posts to googlespecific groups and usenet groups via GG.

The countermeasure cannot be eliminated. It is frequently discussed in google help groups. You can read the numerous discussions and complaints by going to googlegroupshelp and entering captcha.

The disadvantages of reading and posting to usenet groups such as this one using a browser and the GG interface are many. Some of them are: you have no way of filtering spam or organizing threads in a useful way, your posts may be filtered out by those who avoid spam and other unwanted posts which are sourced from GG, the interface is terrible, you have no convenient way of saving your own posts for later access, then there's the captchas.

There are plenty of free and nearly free newsservers. There are also plenty of free newsagents, even for Macs. A better way to enjoy newsgroups such as this one is to use such a newsagent and newsserver; the configuration and learning curve isn't at all bad. Some people like to use the same agent for news as they do their mail.

Use a real newsreader. You will need a newsgroup server because Comcast no longer provides one. I use the news.individual.net, it costs 10 Euros per yer. They do an a very good job of filtering out SPAM, I noticed a huge improvement when I switched back to them after Comcast dropped news.

An example of a free mail client is Outlook Express. Just note that it upsets a few (probably longer-term) users because it top-posts by default.

You can either bottom-post or move with the times... :-)

DAS

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Theres arguments for both top or bottom and been well argued over the years! Try replying to business emails and bottom post. The recipient now has to scroll through all the crap to see your reply. I don't mind top posts or bottom posts. Doesn't matter but some get soooo bent outta shape!!

I also have been using individual.net for 3 or 4 years now - on the recommendation of someone here - possibly the General.

It is really inexpensive like he said, and message retention is several months - I just checked, and can read messages back to Feb 2, and the reliability is extremely good. I tried a couple of the most highly recommended free servers several times and found them awful as far as uptime and reliability.

The only inconvenience with individual.net is that you have pay either with a direct bank draft or thru some European equivalent of PayPal - a little bit of a hassle to set up an account just for a once-a-year transaction of $10 or $15. But even with that slight inconvenience it is light years ahead of everything else I tried for reliability and message retention.

The OP mentioned that he was using Safari which means that he's a Mac user. I'm a Linux user so I don't have any experience with Mac newsreaders (I use Pan on Linux) but here is a link that should be helpful,

I just noticed that there is a version of Pan for OSX, Pan is a great reader, give it a try.

NIN's 3 payment methods are (currently) bank transfer to a German bank for the university, ClickandBuy (formerly FirstGate), or PayPal.

It is a very very well administered newsserver with excellent filtering of spam and hipcrime using CleanFeed and despammer cancels.

Speaking of Putney (the London one), I was studying estuaries recently, and learned that the Thames is an estuary.

Download SeaMonkey (Firefox plus newsgroups, the way Mozilla/Netscape used to be) and read newsgroups the way they were meant to be read.

Hi!

You should check your computer and network (if you have more than one computer) to see if one of your computers has picked up malicious software. This tends to trigger Google's services into requiring you to answer a captcha in order to continue.

Other things that could trigger the problem include:

1. The lease on your IP address expiring and your getting a new address that was used by an infested computer elsewhere on the Comcast network. It will take some time for Google to realize this and correct its behavior. Comcast does issue new IP addresses for your Internet connection quite frequently.

1. If you are running a Tor relay with exit node capabilities, this too will cause Google to spew out captchas. It shouldn't, but it does. (If you don't know what this means, chances are you're not doing this.)

Some people feel the need to grump and complain about Google Groups, without realizing that some people have lost their access to Usenet because their ISP didn't think anyone was using it--or not enough people were using it. And while both paid and free Usenet services are available, some people can't justify the expense and free servers have the problem of being abused similarly to Google Groups and that their very existence as free resources could best be described as "mercurial". I have both of the above problems with alternative Usenet servers, although when I am at home, my ISP does still provide access to Usenet.

I can understand and appreciate that some people use the GG front end to Usenet without understanding what they are doing, thusly causing problems. I can also understand that some degree of spam comes in from Google Groups as well, and that this frustrates people. Some of the spamming in some groups is bad, and a lot of it does originate from Google's Groups front end to Usenet. Google is not as responsive as they could be, although I have had success when reporting blatant spam to their abuse desk.

In any case, I find little reason to boycott GG on those reasons alone--we were all new to this once and undoutedly made mistakes. There will always be people who don't care enough to gain an understanding of the rules for a Usenet-based forum and abide by them. The best you can hope to do is ignore them if they really bug you that much, or block them if you must. And finally, I get more spam via private e-mail than I see on any Usenet group combined, and I long ago devised some filters that cut down on 80-85% of what I see when I'm reading news at home from a "real" Usenet server.

(Oh boy, did I just get on a soap box or what?! Sorry.)

Mac OS X does not include a graphical Usenet news reader. Some paid ones are available, as are some free ones. If your ISP offers access to Usenet, you could find a "real" newsreader program such as Unison (payware) or Mozilla Thunderbird (free). Or you could use a Unix-based newsreading package, which may be included in the BSD operating system that works under the hood on Mac OS X.

If you are serious about using Usenet and newsgroups in the future, you should look into whether or not your ISP offers a Usenet server, and if so, what software you'd like to use to connect to it.

William

Ahh - that's good news about PayPal. I will start using that for NIN renewals instead. I feel like having signed up with yet another payment mechanism (ClickandBuy)just puts my money at greater exposure (not that there's anything wrong with ClickandBuy - it is, like I said, just one

Coincidentally, just days from my signing up the first time with ClickandBuy to join NIN, my credit card got used on the internet for some unauthorized purchases. There may be absolutely *no* connection at all, but it did make me more paranoid about exposure since I was in the U.S. putting my info. into a European entity.

Pardon my ignorance - I've certainly heard the word "estuary", but I had to look up its meaning - it's the part of a river just before it joins a sea - generally wider than the upstream part of the river, gets tidal effects, and is a mixture of fresh and salt water.

Thanks for the info. on the Thames/Putney.

I currently use MT-Newswatcher 3.5.2 on my Mac G4 with OS X.4.11 . I tried Google groups for a while a few years ago, but found it clumsy compared to a newsreader. I've used MT-Newsreader and it's previous Newswatcher for many years- over 10.

To use a newsreader your ISP needs to support same. Mine provides newsgroups for free. Looks like Comcast doesn't provide newsgroups anymore. I hope they dropped their fees! >:)

My ISP dropped newsreader binaries a few years ago, no loss as they are available elsewhere.

Here's MT-Newswatcher, a later version than mentioned on that "slightly out of date" Mac newsreader client site.

Correction: The Thames IS NOT an estuary, it HAS an estuary (where it flows into the Channel).

And, by the way, we now have something dubbed Estuary English. As far as I can make out, it's a type of 'artificial' argot based on Cockney and Essex, but spoken by those who normally speak 'proper' when they wish to sound 'working class'.

Can't check via google as I am abroad and on an analogue modem @ 42 kbps...would take too long.

DAS

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Shades of 'enry 'iggins.

By George, 'e's got it!

Or should that be "By Bill...!?

DAS

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Ah, so. You are correct of course, since it is a long way from the estuary part of the Thames to its head. I was 'overestimating' how far west to call the estuary part.

The Thames in London (and Putney, which is the 'theme' here) is tidal in its behavior, so I was thinking about the tidalness (tidyness?) of an estuary (as opposed to a river_river) but according to the wikipedia's notion of how far west the Thames estuary part goes, they arbitrarily stop/delineate it at Canvey Island.

And then of course there's the effect of the Thames barrier and Teddington lock & weir on all that tidal stuff. The Thames estuary is second only to another English estuary, the Severn, in being the estuaries with the highest tidal ranges in the world.

So, Putney is tidal but it isn't officially estuary -- maybe estuary-ish.

Nope, see the Bay of Fundy, Canada and it's estuaries, for higher tides. There is even another Canadian location with higher tides than the Bay of Fundy, see if you can find it. Tip; it's not an estuary, but a very large channel into a very large body of water.

I excluded the Bay of Fundy in comparing tidal ranges of estuaries because it was not classified as an estuary. It is a bay full of ocean water, it isn't brackish, or have some other estuary traits.

But it certainly has extreme tidal ranges.

Its ranges are exceeded by Ungava Bay (some say) which is also not an estuary, and Ungava doesn't get much credit because it is frozen so much of the time.

The Leaf River empties into Ungava, and during spring tides, the tidal range at its mouth is 56' or 17 m, so that might beat Fundy.

I reacted to your blanket statement about the Thames being an estuary. I did not comment about the tidality (??) at Putney.

This heavy paper uses "tidality". Imperial College is in the MIT/Harvard League, or should I say, as a graduate of IC, that MIT/Caltech/Harvard are in the Imperial league...

DAS

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