People in Citroens NEVER survive accidents !!!

That sounds good. I never saw Chevrolets as part of the ecological chain before, but they obviously have role.

Dan ( snipped-for-privacy@dod.no) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :

But of course. They're just rebadged Daewoos, so they show people up as being idiots who can't see beyond a badge.

Think of them as BMWs for pikeys. Or trolls.

Do you seriously think a Chevy truck handles well enough to hit a Citroen?

And since when were Chevy truck drivers clever enough to recognise a Citroen, let alone steer towards it?

and your mother has more traffic inside her legs then the highway u're running with your truck looking for Citroen to hit.

Mario

Citroen Xsara

"crushes"? I think you mean "crushed".

Regards to the billy-goats.

If your self-regard depends on what car you drive, heaven help you.

(Oil prices on the rise again...).

-- History: the study of who crapped on who, when, why they did it, and the rationale they gave.

They would probably work on the 'that isn't a Chevy truck!' system.

I think you've trolled just about every newsgroup this week!!!

Winnie Oakbob is an anagram of

A web nob, I oink ...

how appropriate !

S

Winnie Oakbob (pie snipped-for-privacy@lycos.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :

And, just for you... a Press Release just in from Chevrolet. This is, I should hasten to add, real.

Phwoar. I really want a Chevrolet now.

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in article Xns966FCFBF1269Cadrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170, Adrian at snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote on 08/06/2005 20:25:

Hey, that's the Daewoo sourced crap they'll be spewing out of SAAB's former factory at Trollhättan, now SAAB production has been consolidated at Opel's plant at Russelheim.

The dating is very odd ... There's the annual SAAB Festival in Trollhättan over those dates (June 17th to 19th) and it is hotly rumoured that SAAB/Opel will be using the festival to formally close SAAB production in Trollhättan. Fuck, just think of the look on all those SAAB faces if they unveil that piece of junk at the festival :) I wonder where they're building them at present for release that weekend? Still in Korea, no doubt.

... Who would've thought I'd hear about it first in a Citroën newsgroup? :)

Well, being a SAAB guy (and a serious Citroën fancier), we like to keep our Trolls fed! As for Chevy truck drivers ... erm, they're too dumb to wear seatbelts, so guess who'll come off better in an incident with ... well ... anything?

Paul

Paul Halliday ( snipped-for-privacy@blueyonder.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :

"Daewoo sourced crap"? No, that IS Daewoo crap.

Oh. Did not know that. What A Shame. Another marque reduced to a badge. RIP.

in article Xns966FE1BC29D23adrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170, Adrian at snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote on 08/06/2005 22:11:

Some of us would say that happened back in 1993, but I wouldn't dare own up to holding such proclivities :)

Well, it's not really that bad. The biggest shame is that a lot of innovation from SAAB (and Opel) is being squashed by GM who have re-structured their European assets to bolster loss-making plants and failing markets in the US. That's my biggest gripe! My other gripe is that the very definite "Swedishness" is now lost; that rooting in a national identity was very much what made SAAB so special. SAABs are as Swedish as Citroëns are French - that's their character. Well, not any more for SAAB :(

What it does mean is that SAABs continue to be manufactured, which (although I don't like the new ones) does mean that there will continue to be work for the competent mechanics that keep our older cars running. The other thing it means is that SAAB also gets some interesting technologies sliding in from sibling manufacturers.

... Anyway, back to Citroëns ...

Paul

Does this mean that GM are now competing against themselves (Vauxhall/Opel versus Chevrolet/Daewoo)? Or is this the end of the Opel and Vauxhall brands? Reminds me of the Austin - Morris - MG - Wolsely - Riley badge engineering of the '50s and '60s, and we know where that lead.

The Matiz has been around since '98, hasn't it? Hardly 'new'.

(OK so I'm not up to speed with the latest car stuff).

in article snipped-for-privacy@ID-107770.user.individual.net, Whiskers at snipped-for-privacy@operamail.com wrote on 10/06/2005 21:38:

"Apparent competition", they call it.

To GM or Ford, it doesn't matter who buys what car, so long as it's a GM, or Ford ... They're all over-priced, under-specced and corner-cut nowadays; even beloved marques. Heck, just look at what gets put out as "Jaguar" nowadays!!! Company badging is a complete farce now. That's not to say that there isn't still good engineering ... Just crap manufacturing with economics playing an over-simplified role in the process and that's the sad part of it.

Nope, you're right ... not new at all ... but stick an unknown badge on it and drop it into a familiar market and people think it's a new car.

I really wouldn't bother trying ... If you know about old stuff, that'll keep you happy for many more years to come :)

Paul

snip

Perhaps we'll get back to the Morris Minor 1000, Fiat Topolino, Citroen

2CV-6, Jowett Javelin, MG T-series, Triumph razor-edge, Humber Pullman, Jaguar E-type, Messerschmidt (sp?) trike, Rolls Royce Silver Ghost, ... now they were proper vehicles

Someone is currently trying to get those little putt-putt three-wheeled open-sided 'taxis' from India into central London. We already have pedal-powered rickshaws. Cars Of Character may yet return.