someone has just told me that there are changes afoot to Statutory off road notification whereby all vehicles will have to be taxed whether on the road or not can anyone confirm this or was he just winding me up?
News to me.
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Wind-up.
The classic mags would be up in arms about it if they did try it on.
I saw this as a snippet at the bottom of a newspaper column. It was couched in terms of "thinking about for the next budget" rather than a statement of fact or definite policy. But I wouldn't put any money-grabbing wheeze beyond Gordon Brown, so I imagine somebody has deliberately leaked the idea to see if the public react.
SORN has already achieved this, for me at least.
I used to take the car off the road for 6 months each year.
Now I just can't be bothered with the paperwork. So, with me at least, I'm afraid the government has already won.
but what about cars that are kept intact but not motable to be used as donor cars where would this idea leave them?
I elected to only run vehicles manufactured before 1972 about 3 years ago, when it became impractical to keep declaring SORN, re-taxing and refunding etc etc. Now I've disposed of my "normal" car and only run Series 2a/2 landrovers. I can keep all 5 of them taxed for nothing.
Alex
Simple. I buy em without a v5 and when I'm good and ready I apply for one.
Hehe.
Alex
but what about those of us who already have log books for our donor vehicles, if the government are really considering this then it is about time we started shouting about it.
If the 'donor' is only to be used as a supply of bits for your 'main' vehicle the easiest way to get it out of the system is to declare it as scrapped / permamently dismantled by yourself. (Can't be @rsed looking at a V5 for the exact terminology). I doubt that the DVLA will send a SWAT team around to check...
Simon H
Given the option of starting now, I'd probably get a pre-72 classic (or maybe even older so I could legally not wear a seat belt!), but given that I've had my "classic" since the age of 16, I'm not going to let £60 per year separate me from the car.
It's kinda true... basically in about 2 years time the V5 is being replaced with another document. It will mean declaring any non-SORN'd vehicle that is off the road, even it was off the road before SORN existed... If you don't, you'll loose your reg number.
There was a thing about it in the DVLA magazine.
If they introduce any form of tax on stored cars it would be a simple matter to take the number plates off, put the number on retention and declare it scraped. I know of no law that requires a scraped car to be broken up let alone crushed (unless found as an untaxed vehicle on the public road). If you want to put it back on the road you re-register it and get the number put back.
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At last. The idiots have come up with the only real way to lose all the cars from the system which have not been declared scrap and are still registered. This has resulted in much grief at the treasury as they see £millions of taxation revenue from these vehicles is missing from their coffers each year.
TAX and MOT is less than £200, if the car isn't worth this much each year it's not worth keeping at all. TP TRA insurance is only needed at time of taxation and can be switched to "laid up" when not in use.
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May as well pay the extra £100 and have it available to be on the road every day. It only takes a phone call to switch a laid up policy to on road.
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The message from Howard Rose contains these words:
Are you sure we will get the choice? ATM it is not possible to volunteer a SORN declaration for a vehicle that was already off the road.
Didn't know there was one, not that I would be inclined to pay to read it.
Roger
The message from Peter Hill contains these words:
Slight snag in that you need to be within 6 months of a valid MOT to change number plates (AFAIK that includes transfer to a certificate) and you also need a valid MOT to get taxed.
Incidentally some insurers don't do laid up cover. I have a couple of old wrecks I don't want to get rid of which haven't been on the road for decades. For some years I had been paying for laid up cover when without warning the insurers cancelled it because the cars weren't roadworthy and they didn't provide such cover anyway and hadn't ever not withstanding they had been informed of the vehicles states and had for several years happily taken my money.
Roger
I which case surely they are duty bound to refund your premiums if they have stated that they never offered the cover.
Andrew Mawson
Paperwork? Impractical? Heaven's above guys, it's a box to tick for Sorn on the renewal form, and then bung it in the post.
Applying for a new tax disc after the winter "break" is only marginally more bother (about 60 seconds with some writing, and you need to remember your v5) than taking the just the renewal into the post office. Keep a batch of the forms (v10 i think) to hand, and you're off. You've got to bloody well go to the post office to get the disc anyway ;-))
I could accept the "too much effort" argument if we were already at the stage where the discs are renewed via the phone or internet and posted out, but that's a year or so away yet at least - and if this sort of online renewal happens it'll presumably include an online Sorn facility too.
And the refund bit is only troublesome the first time round, so you can get your notional 6 month break to where you want it. I manage two cars like this, both come back on stream in April - and I have one all year round vehicle. No bother at all. And, yes I do work full time, around 50 hours per week...
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On a different vein, I got caught for not wearing a seatbelt a couple of months back. I'd borrowed my old man's car to get a spare part for another one of his cars, and wasn't wearing it.
Unusally Mr. Plod was understanding when I explained that I drive PCV's all day, and my pre-65 classic at other times, neither of which have seatbelts fitted. He gave me a producer, rather than a fine
Alex
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