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Having been almost run over while cycling - several times - by car owners lighting up a cigarette whilst driving, I think they should ban smoking at the wheel too. Just as dangerous as phoning IMHO.

Going even further off topic:

Willy Eckerslyke (oss108no snipped-for-privacy@bangor.ac.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :

"facing child endangerment charges" - but no driving offences?

I did until he was well out of view, of course! No point in antagonising him, particularly as he clearly wasn't actually very busy.

Activities which endanger others are slightly different, of course. (Not that I agree with you on this one, but I think you have a reasonable point.)

I'm more referring to stupid/dangerous activities that have a huge potential to harm the actual individual being stupid/dangerous.

Such as cycling along fast, busy dual-carriageways in the mist. Legal, clearly, but really, really dumb. Or going out sailing in a 12ft dinghy when it's blowing a gale. Again, legal, but dumb.

No, there was a response, but no text in it.

Apart from speeding, they don't, do they?

Simon Worby ( snipped-for-privacy@bb-bc.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :

Not from me. There was a "don't feed the trolls" sign, but I can't help it.

Exactly. So don't complain when they DO start to do something.

Fair comment.

I'd actually rather they were spending my money on catching criminals.

This is where the discussion starts to get a little circular!

Example - They started making the BSA Bantam 175cc D7and stopped making the 175cc D14/4 in 1971 so it's not possible for any 175cc Bantam to be post 74. But maybe you can't prove if it was a 1959 or a

After WWII my dad chopped an Austin 7 chassis down by 10". Built his own body work to look like an MG. If it still existed what year would it be? 1936 or 1946? As it's not 100% Austin 7 it's not likely to get an age related number as part of the criteria is that it represents a part of the marques history that is worth saving and needs a number that matches it's age.

-- Peter Hill Spamtrap reply domain as per NNTP-Posting-Host in header Can of worms - what every fisherman wants. Can of worms - what every PC owner gets!

Peter Hill ( snipped-for-privacy@nospam.demon.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :

Not quite - anything registered where you can prove the age gets an age- related number. I've registered several imports and received age-related numbers, including pre-suffix. None of which have in any way been historically important.

DVLA have strict rules on what qualifies to retain a donor plate, covering the situations you outline.

I take your point but. You are not only missing a D10 but i own a 1974 first registered B175 :-)

In message , on Mon, 8 Dec

Unfortunately, yes.

I don't see that as being mutually inclusive with the first part of your sentence, and FWIW I agree to some extent with the latter.

I don't believe the officer intended to get anything of monetary value out of it. If it helped reduce the amount of time he has to spend dealing with the result of irresponsible driver behaviour and grieving relatives he may consider it to have been very good value. If it's any consolation the ticket would have cost you £30 now, so you must have committed this act of defiance some time ago.

I have neither the time or inclination to do so, as I doubt I would change your mind. If you ever get stopped again, you might wish to explain to the officer how you perceive him to be wasting his time. I have no doubt that he would be more than happy to allow you to discuss your opinion with a bench of magistrates instead of imposing a nominal penalty.

But presumably, as with the old V5 and the present version, if you sell the car, e.g. to your good lady, and then buy it back (unless she's scrapped it first in a fit of rage now she's found how much you've spent on it), you'll get a V5C. But I'm sure we're right to be concerned about everything being SORNed - because next thing will be a "small" admin fee, once the good Messrs B & B realise how much they'll need to raise in taxation.

-- Kevin Poole

It depends which car's chassis number is on it... if it's the Austins, then it would be registered as a 1936.

However, until around 1983, any ametuer-built vehicle was registered as a new car, and given it's own chassis number by the DVLA. Now, it's a Q-plate. However, if you use a certain number of parts from a (registered) "donor" vehicle, you can use the identification from that.

A car with no chassis number would have no identity and would therefore be given a Q-plate. A Q-plate mearly means "year unknown" - which is what such a car would be.

January 2000; and I've committed the "offence" almost every day of my life since as well. And almost every single day since the age of 17 &

I am actually open-minded; yet nobody yet has managed to offer me an answer. In fact everyone seems to cop out when asked. Just like you. Hmmmmmm......

Don't fret. I think he got the message.

AFAIK they don't have the option. There has to be a reason to be issued with a summons rather than a fixed penalty.

Anyway, I take it from your responses that you will not be pursuing this discussion (since you refuse to answer my simple question), so I bid you good night.

I was hoping to get validation of age from the Hillman (HOC) as the car is totally original, including the original engine, with No. That generation of Hillmans apparently had no chassis no. ID except on the aluminium plate, previously conveniently removed with the Plates! Thanks for much input - stirred up a little nest here didn't I?

TT

Simon Worby ( snipped-for-privacy@bb-bc.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :

No, all you need do is refuse to pay the FP or contest it.

Do they still issue Q plates? I'm asking with respect to the latest reg plate format like AB53CDE. Is there a 'new' Q equivalent? Or do they still issue them like Q123ABC? And will they reserve a particular index set for age related plates like the JSV123 format that seems to be on a lot of historic vehicles around here in West Yorks? Too many JSVs to be a coincidence if you know what I mean...

Simon H

In message , on Tue,

It's also at the officer's discretion whether to issue a FPN or report for summons.