Noticed in last eveings local newspaper am article
under the headline
Defroster, air-conditioning put dent in Hybrids milage
(Mark Phelan from Knight Ridder Newspapers)
seems they tested a few Hybrids in real world conditions from late
summer thru most of this winter...
Look at these figures:
Toyota Prius... rated at 60 city 51 highway
Racked up 22.8 mpg
Ford Escape.. Rated at 36 and 32 by the epa
Racked up 21.6 mpg
The Honda Accord (with the electric motor)
Rated at 29 & 37
Racked up 20.4 mpg
I mean in the Winter My little Dodge Dakota (3.9 5 sp)
does fall to about 19 mpg .... but what the hell My one Corvette has
averaged 24 mph over its entire 10 year life time...
I have to wonder how much fuel milage a Hybird would loose it it
had any full grocery bags stuffed inside...so much weight would really
kill the gas mileage
Technology has gotten a long way, hasn't it! ;-)
Cripes my wife's '93 Caprice got 22 MPH last trip, with the air on, driving
75 MPH, with four people in the car. Try that in a hybrid! Plus the trunk is
big enough to hold 2-3 bodies, and the rear seat leg room is good. The
darned thing has 150k miles on it too. It is large enough so it feels like
you are sitting in a car too, not wearing it!
I just love those "Gas out" days that went around a while back "dont buy gas
on Wednesday!" um, ok, I will fill my 55 gallon gas tank on Tuesday then..
getting RID of the gas guzzler as a daily driver, now that makes a
difference. I bet my truck does about 2,000-3,000 miles a year... if that.
Every time I stop by the gs station, that electric car looks better and
better!! throw some solar pannels on the roof of the house, and Im set!
I found this quote
"In 2000, the first full year a hybrid -- the Honda Insight -- was on
the market, hybrid fuel economy averaged 65 miles per gallon. Now,
with seven hybrids on the market, average fuel economy has slipped to
around 45 mpg, according to Edmunds.com.
Over the same period, average horsepower for hybrids has climbed from
73 to 176.4 this year. "
Of course. Fuel economy isn't _sexy_! Horsepower _is_!
Yup. If you want to make horsepower you have to burn fuel.
But hybrids have certain other advantages. True hybrids, that is.
Several years ago Oshkosh Diesel made a hybrid of their 8x8 heavy truck.
They used off the shelf parts that have been used in diesel-electric
locomotives for decades. They went from 2 transmissions and 5 gearboxes
to engine, generator, controller, and 4 electric motors. Their truck's
fuel consumption was cut in half, and reliability was doubled.
Now if engineers can just get that kind of stuff small enough to use in
a practical passenger vehicle we'll be in business. But I don't expect
the oil companies to ever let it happen.
The problem is the consumer relies on the US Govenment EPA ratings posted on
The problem is the way the test is conducted, does not give a true
reflection of the fuel consumed by the car.
If the test was conducted by most any normal person, they would put a gallon
in the tank and driev over the same course and document the miles gone
before the gas runs out!
EPA mandates that the test be conduced differently! They measure the
tailpipe emissions under certain circumstances. Obviously the electric
engine helping will reduce the emissions, but the test does not factor real
The hybrid owners have been flooding the dealers with complaints over the
misrepresentation but they are using the only numbers the government allows.
Articles I have read state that the hybrid owners are lucky to get 60% of
the advertised MPG for any of the models.
Save your money and don't buy hybrid, since you can buy cars now that are
run on Gasoline with better fuel economy.
I have no experience with the Accord hybrid, but my mother's Civic
hybrid did a real-world 47mpg on the highway on a trip to New Jersey and
back from Florida late last year.
As far as the defroster sucking up fuel, that's because the engineers at
the car companies assume their customers are idiots, and wire up the
defrost to run the AC compressor whether it's needed or not. If they
would go ahead and switch from an engine driven compressor to an
electric one then it would have a MUCH diminished effect on fuel economy.
Last time I looked the gas mileage of the US fleet was around 20mpg,
which is the _lowest_ it's been in 20 years, and instead of getting
better it's getting worse.
Its called Hemi, HD, 8.1 liter, H2, Escalade, Yukon, RAM, F250,
Silverado... Funny how ten years ago 220 HP was a lot. Now its
"insufficient". Tell me, just how much do those groceries and soccer balls
weigh?? Do you really need 350+ HP on tap while parked in traffic? A Honda
Civic sits motionless in traffic just as well as the tallest 4x4 you can
Just goes to show how insecure so many people are, and how willing they are
to spend the extra money for a little compensation. As for some folks that
DO need a big truck (contractors, landscapers, 5th wheel pullers) if people
bought what they needed and were not afraid of who might see them in a
little car, then the national average MPG would go up and the fuel prices
just might maintain a reasonable price.
===========Personally I would not feel insecure in a small car I just want a hell
of a lot more horses under my right foot they offer...
The worlds major user of OIL happens to be China... and last I
heard they are not a nation know for driving cars at all..
IF Americans would drive cars that were higher in fuel efficiency I
honestly do not know if it would really make a difference in the price
of oil....on the world market.... It would help a little...but just
Why??? Smaller cars don't need lots of HP to kick the shit out of larger
ones. Are you trying to compensate for something :-)
Really??? Where did you hear this? From what I have read, China is the
fastest growing user of oil but we are still the largest and a fairly high
percentage of it is used to produce fuel.
It would help in 3 ways.
1. It would reduce our dependency on foreign oil as well as lower the
2. It would reduce air pollution that we and our children have to breath in
3. Even if the price of oil didn't drop by so much as 1 cent, we would
still have more money in our pockets because we wouldn't need to buy any
where near as much of it to live our lives and if it did, that's even more
If at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving
Ah yes, but the beauty of diesel is ... you don't *have* to get it from
crude oil. Check out:
Additionally, diesel trucks/cars are A LOT more fuel efficient. The
Hybrid and upcoming hydrogen cars coupled with diesel WILL reduce our
dependence in foriegn oil. It's just going to take a few years. I
would guess the Middle East will start seeing drastic changes in US
dependence within 5 years.
But then we, the US, will have to deal with the impact politically.
But before that happens, we the people of the US would have to be more
willing to accept new technologies and do our part to help it along but as
history shows, that doesn't happen here unless we are forced to do so and
when the situation improves, we go directly back to our old ways.
If at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving
People in general, not just Americans, are creatures of habit. In the
broad sense, people hate change, especially when changing something
that has been part of our lives for so long. A prime example, other
than this situation, is TV. HDTV has been out for how long now? 5-10+
years to the mass market? Yet there are STILL people that won't hear
of it. They would pay MORE for a standard TV ... which makes the
broadcasters drag their feet as well ... the demand just isn't there
for HD broadcasting.
(I just upgraded to a HDTV ... it rocks.)
We are beginning to be forced into change right now on oil dependency.
The rising cost of crude oil will push that faster than any government
mandate. I read last week that gasoline could go as high as $4.00 per
gallon. I can guarantee that alternative energy will start rolling big
time when/if that happens. Note: I do feel that our government should
do more. For example, Bush should not have LOWERED the tax deduction
for buying hybrid vehicles ... he should have raised it. In fact, he
had/has the opportunity to give this technology a huge kick in the ass
by offering larger tax incentives to the end consumer and to the
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