Freakin' activists are at it again...
The power window doing Darwin's dirty work could be fixed easily and WITHOUT
All they have to do is adapt the Pull-up-to-raise type switches like MAzda
and Mitsubishi's ... in fact Ford seems to have had them on a few past
WHY does Ford keep letting this stuff go on until they have to spend big
I can hear it now...
"Uh... if we put them in now, we might set ourselves up for litigation on
previous models citing defacto admission of dangerous features previously
That being the lawyers, of course; they'd rather let it ride and get the BIG
litigation bucks later.
* imagine the window probs on older cars if they had ANY kind of auto-
Well, sorta... the complaint is that 3-5 year olds were leaning out windows
and putting knees on the window switches and strangling themselves..
Dont ask me why the keys were left on
The switch being easy to modify as per the Mitsu (pull up) type.. it's stupid
to keep the rocker type.
That is what I thought. Think of this. Would you leave a child in the car with
the engine off and the windows rolled up on a hot summers day? Of course you
would not, why? Well read the papers on any given summers day and you will see
just that scenario resulting in a dead or near dead child. Now who's fault is
that? the parents or the manufactures because there is not a placard in the car
telling you not to do that? Point is, no child should be left unattended in a
vehicle with or with out the keys in the ignition. If power windows were not the
issue then being locked in would be. If being locked in were not the issue then
it would be the hot metal of the safety buckles burning little hands. Children
do not belong in a vehicle by them selves no matter what the situation period.
I'll bet that child was unsupervised. So you should be asking why was that child
allowed to be in that situation?
I feel it stupid to have to have warning placards, special switches, and
anything like that to avoid a injury because of someone's stupidity. It aint
just happening in cars, look at hair dryers for example.
You're dreaming if you think a 93 Geo will still be around and running10-20
years from now. And, I'm
not sure there are many cars left that still offer manual windows today, let
alone in the future.
REALLY limits your choices!!
running10-20 years from now. And, I'm
let alone in the future.
It has not needed a single bit of non-maintenance work done so far, and the
frame and body are in good condition. When I get it I plan on changing the
timing belt, which hasn't been changed yet, and then just driving it. It's
been a very reliable car, and I don't see any reason why anything
catastrophic should fail prematurely. Do Geos of that year with the 1.6l
engine have a reputation for being unreliable? I don't see any reason why it
shouldn't go too 200,000-250,000 miles or more before needing a rebuild.
Whenever the engine goes if the rest of the car is in good condition I may
as well rebuild it or buy a remanufactured engine.
No sense wasting my money on a new car when this one is doing just fine. I
don't plan on ever getting a new car, as it's just a colossal waste of
money. I could have more cars that I like better for less, if I buy used. If
I am ever rich (don't want to deal with car payments) and there is a
particular model of new car that I just can't live without I will go to the
dealer and look over the options list and talk with the salesperson. If they
can't or won't make the car with the options I want, I will walk away and
get a car that I like.
"Safety begins with me!" (Where did that old slogan originate? Can't
remember, but I use to see it alot)
Sure, you're responsible for you're own safety. But it's nice when our
products don't kill us when we make a mistake.
I like to think of it as products being designed for the way we use them,
rather than us conforming to the product.
And just how do you call not letting children play in cars as "conforming to the
product"? It's nice when our products don't kill us when a mistake is made?
Then DO NOTHING! There is inherent risk in every thing you do! You just sit back
and let big brother take care of you. Aberrantly you are not able to do so for
But it's not "a mistake"--it's a series of them, in this case. And
they're not "split-second" descisions, either. The parents made at
least two really stupid choices 1) Leave the keys in the ignition in
the "On" or "Acc" position, and 2) leave the child in the car,
unsupervised, and evidently unrestrained.
Beyond the danger of the kid getting caught in the window, that
parent has made it really easy for someone to hop in the car, and take
off, with their kid still inside (or for that matter, to just grab the
kid and run)
This isnt meant to be hyperbole, but at what point have the auto
makers made a reasonable effort to engineer their products for safety,
and at what point is it the responsibility of the driver to have two
functioning brain cells they can rub together? If we designed
passenger cars like NASCAR stock cars, and required everyone riding in
the car to wear full-face helmets with the HANS device, five-point
safety harnesses, and fire-resistant clothing, there would probably be
very few traffic fatalities (excluding pedestrians and bicyclists who
get hit by cars). The reason we don't is that it would be
prohibitively expensive, and the brutal reality is that we make those
kinds of safety/cost tradeoffs all the time
But the operator of any product has to take a reasonable amount of
care. If you're using a power saw, it's your responsibility to make
sure your fingers aren't in the way.
Modless Wonder #8
at 20 Aug 2003, J Alex [ firstname.lastname@example.org] wrote in
In Europe a few years back I believe it became mandatory to have
pressure sensors on power windows just because of the kid accidents. So
the technology should be readily available. I believe the method used
is the same as the 'pressure sensitive' method used on garage door
openers. But I believe they stop rather than move back. I'd have to
call my dad and have him check his new car to see what it does...
_ 1995 Mustang V6 Coupe (Bright Blue)
|_| Member Modern Mustangs of North America (MMNA)
The sad part is not just the people injured, but the stupid parents who are
too busy to keep an eye on their children when they're in the car. My
children are in their 30's now and neither of them was ever hurt by a
closing door or an electric window while they were living with me. Of
course, I didn't have a cell phone, pager, PDA, or notebook to distract me
when I was getting the kids ready for a trip. Of course, that's just my
opinion- I may be wrong (to quote Dennis Miller).
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