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The Ford Focus is manufactured in Wayne, MI. The engine is made in Mexico.

Yet the wages Ford pays are higher than the prevailing wages.

Except that if Ford doesn't get more savings, there won't be any Ford to compete.

Ford controls Mazda. A lot of Fords have Mazda parts. The Ford Excape and the Mazda Tribute are the same vehicle. Ditto Ranger and Mazda truck.

I hate to tell you this, but lots of parts in your computer are made overseas by low-wage people.

Your choice is to buy car from a company that makes most of the parts in the US, Canada or Mexico (Ford, GM or Chrysler) or to buy a car from a company that makes mote content of their cars over seas (just about anyone else).

Jeff

Non-sense. Unionized Ford workers get a heck of a lot more per/hr than Mexican Ford workers do.

Nonsense. They wouldn't move if they didn't make more from it.

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As mentioned before when you brought this up, this is a bad analogy. There isn't any computer company that doesn't get its parts from overseas, and it has been that way since longer than I can remember. Certainly a lot longer than Ford quietly switching development of major parts to overseas. You keep saying that Ford makes the majority of parts in NA, only it doesn't. The bodies are 'assembled' in USA/Canada, but nothing else. I fear from your original post that it will not be that much longer before the USA/Canada plants become warehousing only.

Pah

Honda Civic next, though the Taurus (97, probably on last leg) and Focus (03, should last a few more years if it doesn't catch fire again) will have to drop dead first. By that time Honda Civic may not be the best value for the dollar especially since hybrids are getting somewhat cheaper, and should be more economical as the years pass. More affordable 'Smart cars' should be available too in the next few years. Right now (imo) Smart Car is too expensive for what they are.

Where is your source(s) that make you so certain that Ford still makes parts in North America? Mechanics indicate quite the opposite, stating only some body parts are manufactured in NA, some shipped in (most of the light covers and casings) and assembled here.

Pah.

Yet it was not always that way. Intel still makes chips in the US.

Really? The engines in the Focus are made in Mexico. The stickers say the majority of the parts are made in the US or Canada.

For the F-150, Escape, and Expedition, the engine and transmission are made in the US and assembly is in the US.

In Fords, about 75-80% of the content is from the US/Canada. And more is from other parts of North America.

Why? Toyota and Honda are opening plants here.

Next time you're in a dealership, look at the US/Canada content stickers. They show what proportion of the average model of that car is made in the US. Of course, that particular car may differ. But you will see for the majority of Ford models, around 75 or 80% of the content comes from the US.

Sorry, but I don't know your mechanics or where they get their information.

Here is a list of Ford Factories:

Or here: You will notice that there are factories for all the parts in a car or truck in the US and Canada.

However, the reality is that Ford, Boeing, GM, Toyota, Honda, Renault and Mercedes Benz are all international companies. They have factories in many different countries. People in a country would rather by a car if the car company makes cars in that country, even if they don't make that model there. Same thing with airplane. It's also often cheaper for an auto company to make a car relatively close to where it's sold rather than 1/2 way around the world.

Even so, Ford makes around 75-80% of the parts in the cars and trucks they sell in the US.

Unless you are able to show that you have a clue what you're talking about, I won't waste my time with you anymore in this thread.

jeff

By weight, volume, or value?

Jack

Value.

The point is why then are the Toyota loyalist complaining about domestics building cars in China, for sale in China? Both GM and Ford make 80% or more of the vehicles they sell in the US, in north America, of primarly American materials. On the other hand Toyota imports more than half of the vehicles they sell and most of the materials for the parts they assemble in the US. The Commerace Department says less than 30% of the matersil used in their vehicles assembled in the US are sourced here

Why don't you ask the people who complaining that Ford and GM are building cars in China for sale in China why they are complaining?

My guess is that they don't understand that the cars are for sale in China.

However, Toyota has plants that make Engines, Body Parts, Transmissions, etc., and the vast majority of the parts for cars and trucks they build in North America are made in North America. Something like $28B worth of parts and supplies are bought by Toyota each year from US suppliers.

Overall something like 50% of the parts in their cars and trucks come from North America.

Jeff

It would be more factual to say Mazdas have a lot of FORD parts. The Trubute and the Mazda "B" series pickups, are rebaged Excapes and Rangers, albiet the Mazdas are higher priced, that are built on Ford assembly lines. Mazda does not have anywere near the build capasity or economies of scale to make aparts for Fords, nor would it be practical to ship them to the US, to use in Fords.

There are so few Mazdas sold in the US that is was no longer cost effective to assemble them in the Flat Rock plant alonside the FWD Probe. That plant was switched to RWD in 2004 to build the 2005 Mustang. Mustangs carry the "Z" designation, rather than the "F"

Ford and Mazda engineers work together on new products, that may first appear on the much lower volume Mazdas, but when used on Fords they use Ford parts because of economies of scale.

The Commerace Depatment list the Ford F150 as having the highest domestic content at nearly 90% with the Siverado second at 85%

The Commerace Department does not agree with your opinion ;)

Please show us the site on the commerce department that shows I am incorrect. And please don't tell us about VINs. The only thing the VINs show the country in which the car is assembled.

Jeff

Can you please show us the commerce web site that shows the content of the various vehicles? I am not trying to be a wise-guy. I know the Ford F-150 has one of the highest domestic contents (there are different ways to measure domestic content, and the F-150 might not be the highest on all measures). I would be interested in seeing the list.

Ford Escapes/Mazda Tributes have a platform developed from the Mazda

626. The engine used in the Mazda6 (which is assembled in Dearborn) was developed by Mazda, but is made in the US. The Mustang V6 is made in Germany.

Interestingly, the Ford Ranger that is made for sale outside North America is a different vehicle that is a rebadged Mazda.

Why do Toyota and Honda import all those parts, but it is impractical for Mazda and Ford to do that?

Last year, over 35% of Mazdas that were sold in the US were made in the US.

The Mazda 6 is still built at the Flat Rock plant.

Jeff

I think it is you that needs to provide proof of your claims. I only need to go out to the driveway and look at both the Focus and Taurus engine parts to know you are wrong.

I've asked you before, and I'll ask again. Show me the sources you use that give validity to your claims, especially those showing that 75-80% of parts in Ford cards and trucks are made in the US/Canada plants. I happen to know you are full of it, but willing to read your sources of info.

PS: I simple call to Ford proved you wrong.

Pah