Information Gleaned from Domestic Content Labels

Just a sidenote: VINs that begin "1N" are used both for Toyota Corollas and Nissans like the Altima.

Mike, it is a matter of belief.

It is a matter of evidence. And right now, there is a lot of evidence that contradicts your conjecture and none to support it.

How about supporting it with a URL? You said you have one. So just post it, and show I am wrong.

Jeff

Because the SAE assigned Nissan a '1'. Why don't you ask them? If you search the SAE site, you can find the names of a few people who are responsible for the VIN numberings system.

You said that parts made in Canada don't count as US content for the VIN system. How about proving this? What is the URL of the site that describes how the 1, 4, and 5 are assigned? How about evidence that is independent of the VIN system that demonstrates that Ford gets more parts all Mercury SUVs from Canada, and even more all Lincolns? Notice I said all. All Mercury SUVs get a '4' and all LIncoln SUVs and Trucks get a '5'.

You said that R&D and engineer count. Were the Navigators engineered in Canada? How about the R&D? Was that different for the LIncolns than the Fords? I would think all the R&D was near Canada, just west of Detroit. But last I checked, Michigan was still part of the US.

You said you contacted a few people you know from your old job, and they did not know. Aren't they the people who claim told you this nonsense in the beginning? Aren't they the people you said sent you the URL in the first place?

So what you're saying is that you have absolutely no proof for this. And this system is mandated by someone (Commerce Depart?), yet there is no evidence of this on any newstory, any commerce department website, and no vehicle manufacturer.

Yet, all the first digits of each vehicle type (car, truck, SUV, truck - chasis only, etc.) seems to be set for each make? I mean, I haven't seen any Fords that begin 5F* or 4F*, they all begin 1F*. Wouldn't you think there was some variation? I mean Ford gets a lot of its parts for its Mustang from Mexico. And some parts from Canada, most likely. Don't you think at least some Mustangs or Fusions, Foci, or whatever would get a 4? And don't you think it is odd that Mercury and Lincoln use enough content to get a 1 for their cars, but Mercury gets a 4 for their trucks? And Mazda too? And Lincoln gets a 5? Why do you think that Mercury and Lincoln build their parts in Canada while Ford doesn't? And do you have any independent evidence that they do?

Get a clue man.

What standard of the Department of Commerce? Why is the Department of Commerce involved when the Department of Transportation is assigned the task of assigning VINs? (The Department of Transportation contracts this out the Socitety of Automotive Engineers.) Don't you think there would some documentation someplace? I mean we are talking about the VIN. This standard is not even hinted at on any web site I have seen, including the web site of the vehicle manufacturers, when they have the VIN info.

Gee, get a clue.

jeff

I have done my homework. I have found a lot that is inconsistant with your claim. That, plus a complete lack of evidence supporting your claim tells me that you claim is bogus.

Jeff

Can you support this claim, too? I mean that there is a contract that requires 70% US content in the vehicles produced at NUMMI?

This ought to be good.

Jefff

Not all.

1ZVHT80NX65154048

I couldn't find any w/ 5F or 4F.

Rob

You are free to beleive whatever you choose. ;)

mike

Based on your logic, why do you think this plants Toyotas are different than all of its other plants that are 4 and 5? Search the UAW site, for the information you seek, WBMA.

mike

I choose to believe what I have evidence for. I have no evidence that the first digit of the VIN means anything other than the ramblings of an old man.

So I believe that the VIN has nothing to do with content, only location of assembly.

You have been invited several times to support your claim. You can't or choose not to.

jeff

Again, the old man makes a claim he can't support.

Fact is, the VIN has nothing to do with content.

If I am wrong, prove it.

Jeff

You are free to believe whatever you chose but why did you not answer the question asked instead of asking one? I have told you were to look numerous times. You may bookmark ever site you visit. I do not

mike

Yeah, you said to look in the Department of Commerce web site. I did. There is nothing about the domestic content and VINs there.

Tell us the URL where it is found.

The truth is that the only place it is found is in Mike's imagination.

Jeff

Those that begin with 2 or 3 were built in Canada or Mexico.

I am not sure what the ones that begin with 1ZT are.

It should be in your history. Both Firefox and Internet Explorer have keep a history of all the sites you have visited. Of course, you would have actually have had to have found proof to back your claim for this to work.

Jeff

I know! I can't prove it, I didn't bookmark the URL, Search the FMC site, WBMA ;)

mike

No for me. I use a laptop, via satellite to reach a server that is connect to the PTD.net ISP, that provides my connection to the NGs. My history, cookies etc are deleted automatically, when sign off. Emails sent to my mailbox on that server are automaticly deleted after 24 hours.

mike

You are more than welcome to google them, you know.

Rob

There are no 1ZTs in the list. The 1ZVs are all Mustangs built at the Flat Rock Assembly Plant jointly owned by Ford and Mazda ( 1ZV = Automotive Alliance International (USA) Ford Passenger Car)

Here is a list of all the 2007 Ford WMI from

Ed