Re: Automakers Lengthen Oil Change Intervals

Andy wrote:

>> >> >> >>>Andy wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>Andy wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Note that the other Amsoil products, while they cannot be API certified >>>>>>>due to the ZDDP level, do use synthetic base stock. Don't use them in >>>>>>>vehicles with catalytic converters, despite what your local MLM person >>>>>>>may tell you. Mobil 1 EP does use synthetic base stock. >>>>>> >>>>>>They have no effect on catalytic converters. I have no idea where you >>>>>>came up with that one. >>>>> >>>>>Never use a non-API certified synthetic oil (there are many of these on >>>>>the market) in a vehicle with a catalytic converter. The problem with >>>>>the non-API certified synthetics is that they contain too much >>>>>phosphorus (in the form of the additive ZDDP (Zinc Dialkyl >>>>>Dithiophosphates)). The API has limited the amount of phosphorus because >>>>>phosphorus shortens the life of the catalytic converter. These oils are >>>>>fine for snowmobiles, motorcycles, and older cars that don't have a >>>>>catalytic converter, and the extra ZDDP does provide additional wear >>>>>protection. >>>> >>>>What proof do you have of this? >>> >>>An Amsoil factory representative wrote (I deleted the names because I >>>don't want him to get in trouble for telling the truth, but the >>>recipient of this e-mail posted it on Usenet where I saw it and you can >>>find the original using Google Groups): >>> >>>------ >>> >>>From: "xxxxx, xxxxx" >>>To: "' snipped-for-privacy@pinn.net'" >>>Subject: RE: Technical Service Contact Form >>>Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:18:15 -0500 >>> >>>Actually it's the amount of phosphorus that is regulated-- but that is >>>directly related to the amount of zinc that can be used as they are >>>combined as zinc dithio phosphate (ZDP). This is only regulated in 2 >>>viscosity grades, 5W30 and 10W30. Other than the Series 7500, AMSOIL >>>lubes all contain more ZDP than can be used in an API licensed oil. For >>>examples of our ZDP levels refer to data sheets for AMO, ARO, AMF or AMV. >>> >>>------ >>> >>> >>>It's actually ZDDP, not ZDP, but the Amsoil representative got it right >>>and it's the first time that we've seen the real reason that Amsoil >>>couldn't get API certification on their products (other than the XL-7500 >>>which doesn't have as much ZDDP) This limit was set by API because too >>>much zinc will shorten the life of the catalytic converter. If you have >>>an older vehicle without a catalytic converter (or a motorcycle, jet >>>ski, snowmobile, etc.) then the non-API certified Amsoil lines are okay >>>(but still outrageously priced). >>> >>>I'm sure that you really do understand all this, but for some reason >>>you're being deliberately obtuse about it. I have no dog in this fight, >>>and don't care what oil you use, but you should at least understand the >>>differences between different synthetic oils, their base stocks, and >>>their additives. >> >> >> >> So where is the proof that it hurt catalyitc converters? I'm not >> saying Amsoil doesn't use more ZDDP, just that I don't agree it hurts >> the catalyitic converter. > > >As cheap as GM is, it wouldn't not use ZDDP if they could absolutly help >it. The reduction of ZDDP in motor oil forced them to change to roller >lifters. If you've got an old classic pre-cat car with flat tappets and >want to use modern low ZDDP oil, go to your GM dealer and get some EOS.

Or simply use AllFleet oil like Shell Rotella.

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