My sister has a 1997 Metro with almost 100k miles on it. Recently her check
engine light came on and according to the mechanic she needs a new upstream
O2 sensor. He also reccomended a timing belt change and a tune up. He
quoted $700 for everything. Is that a reasonable price? He's a
AAA-approved mechanic so I believe he'd do a legit tuneup, including fuel
filter and new pcv valve, etc.
If the timing belt is going to be changed, how much extra time would it take
to replace the water pump on this vehicle? On my car at least it's pretty
easy to do if the belt is off and probably worth it. But on the Metro?
Is she going to be keeping the car a long time? And is the car in good
shape? Was it taken care of (all oil changes done)? Is the compression on
the cylinders good? If answer is 'yes' to these questions, it would be
worth it to do the timing belt and water pump. Seems kinda pricey though,
to me. I'd tell him to include the water pump cost and replacement in that
$700 estimate. Don't be afraid to haggle with estimates. By human nature,
the mechanic will get as much money out of you, within reason, that you'd
be willing to pay. Parts cost for the belt and sensor, tuneup parts, would
only be like $150 total. So he wants $550 labor to do a timing belt and
tunine up? Sounds pricey. Water pumps are only like $40. I'd have him to
do the belt, tune-up, and the water pump, parts and labor, for $700 or even
How are you getting that much? Autozone has o2 sensors for $80, belts are
like $30, ignition tune-up parts and wires and plugs are about $50. Could
you itemize your numbers? Well, $700 for everything would still be a lot
cheaper than buying a replacement engine or another car. His mechanic
should have recommended a water pump change automatically with a timing
belt change, since most of the work to do a water pump change is done when
you go to change the timing belt.
Thanks for your help. I've also itemized things in the ~$150 range. And I
just want to make sure: changing the water pump in a Metro is no big deal
provided you're also changing the timing belt? It isn't with my car (Dodge
Neon) but I don't know about Metros specifically.
I have never had a Metro and don't have a Chilton's on it, but from what
I've just researched, it's no big deal to also change the water pump at
the same time as the timing belt. You may want to confirm with a bit of
research -- perhaps call a Suzuki/Geo dealership. But the water pumps
are only like $30 at Autozone, she should get the whole job done for
$700 (timing belt, water pump, tuneup). Is this a 1.0 liter 3 banger or
a 1.3 4 banger engine?
Ignition wires $60
Distributor cap $30
Air filter $20
Fuel filter $40
One could add another $30-40 for the accessory drive belts.
The OP didn't specify which engine his metro has, so I priced in
the middle between the 1.0 parts and the 1.3 parts.
$700 is extremely reasonable for a 100K mile service.
(the car has probably needed little up to this point)
Just did a 100k on a 94 Eagle Summit wagon on Thursday, the price
was very comparable to the Metro.
Water pump change is not necessarily needed or part of the timing
belt job on a Metro.
Those Eagles are cool little vans, same as the Plymouth Colt Vista,
Mitsubishi Expo. I know a WW2 veteran who bought an Eagle Summit brand
new. "I only buy American cars!" he proudly said while showing it off. I
didn't have the heart to tell him it was made by Mitsubishi (Japan)!
Especially since he was in the Pacific theatre of the war, and Mitsubishi
made the Zero fighting plane!
hah yeah I've had that happen a few times. What seemed wierd to me is
starting about 5-10 years ago, I started to see alot of older people driving
Honda/Toyota/Nissan, and was like wait a minute? didn't they fight those
guys? then I realized how old they were, and realized they were the Korean
generation, so they might have spent time in Japan on shore leave and driven
some of the cars and liked them.
May not be logistically possible.
i.e., I have NAPA and CarQuest available locally, I can source
from a WD but it may take a day extra for delivery.
Customer might balk at tying up the car for an extra day not to
mention me having to juggle my scheduling to accommodate the
Why are ignition modules so darn expensive? Is there some company in China
or Mexico that makes them and sells for a decent price? My dummy neighbor
blew up another GM FWD car (a Grand Am). He had just replaced a couple of
the ignition modules a few months before the clyinder head cracked. I told
him to snag the modules, and I'd slap them on ebay to sell. He didn't
listen. He gave the car, modules and all, away for free.
Don't know, I've seen them manufactured, but I'm not involved in
I suspect that it has to do with the fact that there is little if
any competition at the consumer level like there is for cell
phones and PCs.
Yep. At junkyards/wrecking yards when a car comes in, the workers take
the modules off and put them on a shelf and sell them. They're about
half the price as new. They probably take them off, so that people
won't sneak them out in their toolboxes. But anymore, most wrecking
yards don't even let you walk back to the cars.
Sure, why not? Most electronics either work or don't work and may last 25
years. No moving parts to wear.
Considering the cost, I may put one in my car in the next day or two.
Tomorrow it will be in the shop. We eliminated the coil by swapping the
suspect one so it is probably the module.
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