The Century is not the same as a LeSabre. Smaller car, smaller engine.
Century is the same platform as the Regal, but has a smaller engine.
Plus the Century/Regal are being dropped for 2005.
1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE, 3800 V6
_~_~_~_~274,416 miles_~_~_ ~_~_
True. Why GM doesn't just consolidate under the GM label I don't
know. The Century is moot. The new Saturn effectively replaces it.
They could get rid of half of their models and save immense amounts
of money in the process and hardly impact their sales.
What it really comes down to is cosmetic differences and performance
differences. You couldnt sell a Olds 88 to someone that likes the
styling of the Bonneville. Both of which are H body platforms but Olds
usually had a much softer shift and suspension set up than a Pontiac.
Same goes for Buick. Each devision is targeted at a different market,
Pontiac would be the younger crowd and Buick the older crowd. It doesnt
hurt to have a broad overlapping range of cars to help everyone find the
nitch they fall into in the market. The problem was Olds and Buick were
to much in the same market so one had to go. Just as I was starting to
like Olds styling.
| Which car would you folks recommend between a 2004 Buick LeSabre or a 2004
| Toyota Avalon, in terms of both price and performance?
Both are nice cars. Drive and compare features and cost and choose what you
feel best meets your requirements. Of course, most in a GM newsgroup are going
to advise you to buy the GM vehicle, you know! Hardly a unbiased group!! ;-)
It's a tough call, actually. The LeSabre is really the only affordable,
well built large sedan that GM makes. The Regal costs too much versus
a Camry or Accord, and the higher end models are into the Euro-sedan
Toyota has a better reputation for reliability. The LeSabre has
a lot more comforts and features. Drive both - either one will
be a great choice.
The reliability is better on the Toyotas - they are #1 in quality
and have been for years, so unless you have a new source of data
that nobody else knows about...
As for cost, a Regal GS does cost more by the time you add the
features that coms standard on the top-trim Camry V6 or Accord V6.
It's just not a good enough deal to win. At best it comes in
tied in price if you get a bunch of rebates.
Now, the LeSabre - it's a much better deal than the Regal.
The Avalon leads in the long-term reliability in its mid-size class,
but the LeSabre is 2nd in its full-size class. Thus, one has to make
up one's mind whether one wants a mid-size or a full-size car, but
either should be quite reliable (cf.
The size inside is pretty darn close. I personally like the LeSabre
a bit more due to the amenities. Nicer leather seats, the neat HUD
feature and the center console is better. The Avalon has its points,
too. Much smoother transmission, for one.
Drive both - you can't really go wrong with either.
Oh - buy them 2-3 years used. They should go for well under $20K and
you'll save the initial depreciation hit.
I can't speak for the Avalon, but I sold Buicks for years, and I strongly
recommend the LeSabre. Wide range of options and prices, and very reliable.
Do not go with the Regal line, or the Park Ave. I saw far more service dept
problems with the Regal and Park Ave. Very, very few problems with the
LeSabre. And customers kept coming back for them. I had many drive them
for 150,000 - 200,000 plus miles with only regular maintaince. And that
regular maintaince on the 3800 in minimal. Good power, great ride quality,
and super mileage for a full size car. You can't go wrong. And at times
you can catch them with super rebates and other incentives.
Jerry H. -- retired Buick sales manager
You're serious right?
One is made by engineers (Avalon).
The other is made by bean-counters (Buick).
End of discussion.
You get what you pay for. Buy a car that's made on the cheap - like
everything Detroit comes out with- and you will wind up paying for it
in the long run.
This one is a no-brainer.
Yeah ok... Going by your logic the Avalon should be thrown out after 3
years because in Japan it cost to much to relicense them do to emission
laws. So they dont engineer them to last longer than that. Ignorant
logic met with ignorant logic.
Yeah you are a no-brainer.
My wife works at a Toyota dealership and drives an '03 Avalon demo unit.
Nice car but God awful boring! It's a big yawn. It's a very competent and
good handling car but has the personality of an anvil. If I were you, I'd
go for the LeSabre or the Pontiac equivalent, the Bonneville or better yet
get a Chevy Impala with the 3800 engine and put the $10,000 you save in
| My wife works at a Toyota dealership and drives an '03 Avalon demo unit.
| Nice car but God awful boring! It's a big yawn. It's a very competent and
| good handling car but has the personality of an anvil. If I were you, I'd
| go for the LeSabre or the Pontiac equivalent, the Bonneville or better yet
| get a Chevy Impala with the 3800 engine and put the $10,000 you save in
| your IRA.
Somehow I don't find any of the models listed here as "exciting".
Avalon...yawn. LeSabre...yawn. Impala...double-yawn. Bonneville...cheesy
plastic-looking panels and cowls...yuck! But then this segment isn't supposed
to be "exciting". They're all nice comfortable transportation with their own
very average appeal. Drive and price between the two originally mentioned
(both good choices) and pick the one that meets your requirements the best.
Either will be nice reliable wheels. No one here can tell you what you'll be
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