No manufacture has ever come close to Der Mopar in minivan sales, none.
Dodge alone outsells all of the import brands combined. When it comes to
minivans most smart buyers think Chrysler / Dodge, just as they go to Ford
for trucks, as the most product for the money.
You are a piece of work John. When the automakers continue to do something
as they always have, seemingly ignorant of market trends, you babble on
about how out of touch they are and how that's the reason for the imports
taking market share. Then... when they respond to market trends you babble
about them abandoning platforms that are losing ground. Someone made a
mistake in the past by suggesting to you that you would make a good
critic... or in not pointing out that you don't.
BTW - this is a GM group - post this to a Ford group.
Care to document your attack Mike?
Minivans are going to continue to be sold, just now it is going to be
the Germans and Asians doing the selling.
It never ceases to amaze me how quickly some usenet posters resort to ad
However, it is a fact that Ford and GM do not refresh their vehicle
designs as often as Toyota and Honda do. It is a fact that both US
companies are completely dependent upon their truck businesses to keep
the doors open and have lost an increasingly large share of the car
market. GM and Ford do not have their acts together as businesses.
Giving up on the minivan market and rolling the dice on their next
generation SUVs is just more of the same.
Tell me this. Why can't the largest automobile company in the world
field a range of no apologies vehicles in every segment which has global
sales of over 500,000 units per year and refresh those designs every 4-6
years? If the #2 maker in the world can do so (Toyota), why can't #1?
Toyota consistently recognizes weak spots in it's product portfolio and
invests like crazy until they earn a major spot in the game. For years
Toyota had almost there minivans, and they kept at it until they now
produce one of the very best. Toyota's large pickup trucks have missed
the boat several times, and now they have spent over $1B to build a new
US factory and tool up a new design to give it another go. Relentless
persistence is obviously part of the Toyota management DNA. GM and
Ford flip-flop worse than a recent Democratic Presidential Candidate.
How can anyone make excuses for the way GM has botched it's
participation in the minivan market and now it's complete retreat? Part
of the reason that the minivan market has been shrinking is that GM and
Ford have put such lackluster efforts into it. The last redesigns of
the GM and Ford vans were the worst kind of on the cheap half-baked
efforts we have seen in the minivan market. The GM nose jobs are
You have it backwards. GM, Ford and Chrysler developed new vehicles to
expand their market then the Japanese follow suit. Most of the expansion of
the market for Japanese vehicles, over the past ten years, has not been in
cars but rather in markets developed by the domestics, minivan, light
trucks, SUVs, crossovers etc. and they did it by copying what the domestics
have developed. Most of the vehicle the Japanese sell around the world are
far different than what sells best for them in the US.
Whether you like it or not both GM and Ford outsell any Japanese manufacture
in the US because more American prefer the vehicles they have to offer
So the Japanese recognize the market and sell to it. Good for them.
However they haven't followed everything the Big 2.5 have tried to push
on us, such as the Chryslers 300s that are now filling up dealers lots.
Then we have the Big 2.5 not keeping up with significant engine
developments such as VVT and Hybrids. They are many years behind the
Japanese there and are now having to buy these technologies from the
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