Ian , I really appreciate your post suggestions and help on this board.
However nothing seems to be good if it's made and sold by GM.
Yes they produce crap at times, but not worse than Ford & Mopar. I may give
the edge to the Japanese cars , but on the long run I am sure that an old
Chevy or Buick (mid and full size) can be maintained at cheaper cost.
I work nearby a super shopping center for cars, and its funny to see that
all of them having peoples waiting to get their cars serviced or repaired
there.That goes from Gm To Bmw with Hyundai in the middle .
A friend of mine drive a Camry 2003 and let me talk about a piece of shit,
and his dealership is so busy that he needs an appointment for everything, I
tought that when you buy a Toyota that you never had to go back !!!
They are basically all the same, not there for your satisfaction but for
their shareholders.I understand that all you see is GM car broken, but many
peoples lives from the others car makers mistake too.
look at the transmission failures on ODYCLUB.COM but yet the Odyssey
continues to get top quality praise. Statements like' I had three
transmissions but my next van will be an Odyssey because they replaced them.
My neighbor had his VW in six times in the first year but to listen to him
there is nothing like a VW. It all stems from owners of American cars will
complain about their problems. Owners of foreign cars will still give them
high praise even though they have problems.
| look at the transmission failures on ODYCLUB.COM but yet the Odyssey
| continues to get top quality praise. Statements like' I had three
| transmissions but my next van will be an Odyssey because they replaced them.
| My neighbor had his VW in six times in the first year but to listen to him
| there is nothing like a VW. It all stems from owners of American cars will
| complain about their problems. Owners of foreign cars will still give them
| high praise even though they have problems.
Uhm...I think the point is that the other manufacturer's appear (from your
post) to stand behind the product better. You're right they all have problems.
But when/if GM typically tells customers to go away and fix it yourself and
Toyota gives out a fair amount of "goodwill" help, that leads to better
"feelings" about the produce among the customer base.
The sad part is, this has been a known dynamic for decades.
I think that tends to differ from dealer to dealer... we call our
service manager Goodwill Bill, cause every car that comes in under 60k
seems to get something fixed for free...
The techs aren't huge fans of it of course, but we are always in the
top three regionally for CSI..
Same here, John. Our service manager is extremely liberal with
the goodwill. Sometimes I hate it, but overall, it keeps our shop
busy and the customers keep bringing their vehicles in on a regular
Actually, what I've seen is quite the opposite. My '03 Cavalier left
the lot with the alignment off. Didn't fully realize it till I was
GM and the dealership could have easily claimed that I must've hit a
curb or something on the way home and it wasn't their problem. In fact,
I was prepared to pay for an alignment. Instead, they did it under
warranty, and quite quickly. Runs like a champ and drives straight now.
Toyota, on the other hand, has been known for its engines which seem to
be really good at turning perfectly good oil into sludge:
For over a year Toyota blamed the problem on customers who didn't change
their oil on time, even when maintenance receipts showing that the
schedule was followed were produced. Ultimately, Toyota caved in just a
bit and is offering a "Special Policy Adjustment" to selected owners how
bitch loudly enough... but only as a "courtesy" because, you know,
Toyota insists they're still too stupid to do oil changes on time,
receipts or no.
But I think this is an example that Japanese auto makers might not
necessarily make better cars in all cases. The situation here might be
more of a culture where automakers from Japan rest on their laurels, and
blame all problems on poor maintenance or user stupidity, whether
warranted or not.
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I would agree with you...I'm not a particularly positive spokesman for
the GM cause. But I really have no particular interest one way or the
other, besides the fact that I make money off of working on GM vehicles.
I'm a pragmatic type of person....I like working on GM vehicles because
I've grown accustomed to way they do things, and I make good money
repairing their vehicles. I might even buy one real soon, but I'll have a
good extended warranty on it.
My main objective here is to share what little knowledge I have, in the
hope that someone out there can save some money, either by doing the
job themselves, or by being forewarned/armed with info when dealing
with repair shops.
In the meantime, I jump in my 300 dollar shitbox K-car every morning
and it gets me there and back with very little drama. And when it breaks,
(which isn't often), it costs me next to nothing to repair.
The only "new" cars we've owned have been a Toyota and an Audi 5000.
Both were excellent cars, but the Audi could have been major trouble.
I had to keep a real sharp eye on it to make it last 12 years with very
few repairs (but expensive when they happened). The Toyota was a
real yawner....drove it for many years and replaced the clutch once.
That's it, that's all.
I saw an '85 Chrysler LeBaron Town and Country wagon at a small car lot: K
car wagon with wallpaper, full array of Chrysler electronics--digital dash,
trip computer, human voice alert, leather, power everything. 80K miles.
Cream puff. The 2.2 purred quietly. $700. Would have made a hell of a
shitbox/fetch/chuck wagon especially if I put a turbo in it (from a
derelict Daytona, Lancer, Laser, Charger, Omni GLH). That 2.2 4 banger
Chrysler is a great motor. Most were beat to hell and not maintained
properly by the ignorant humanoids who owned them.
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