Vibe. Toyota engineering and dirvetrain. GM interior
and finish. Best of both worlds and a cargo area that
is like a small pickup truck.
You can get a new base model(manual transmission) for
about $16,000 after rebates. That's $13,500 after your
discount. Quite a nice car for that price.
Now, of course, you should wait until the 2006 models
are out. Then they will give you another $1500-2000
off of the price in inceitives and rebates, dropping the
price on a 2005 Vibe to about $11,000.
No way a Hyundai can beat this.
Another option would be to get the GT for about $19,000.
Add in the rebates that will appear in September, and
you are looking at about 13-14K for a car that will
blow the doors off of anything else in its price range,
thanks to your extra $2500 in dealer cash)
True, but the publicized Toyota "oil-gelling" comes with this engine. Trust
me, regular oil changes are ESSENTIAL to avoid cam and cam follower
Rear suspension can also present problems with abnormal tire-wear caused by
mis-alignment and or bad bushings.
Could use more engine, and some suspension softening, better placed heat
ducting (at least up here in the Frozen North) and lessy crappy upholstery
fabric. Still we liked the car for what it was (until an aggressive
cab-driver wrote it off on us a couple of weeks ago... and my wife won't buy
another, based on the extensive damage encountered in a relatively low-speed
Like everything, you pays yer money and takes yer chances
Total BS. Toyota engineers the engine to tighter specs than
normal, which means:
- Clean, NON RECYCLED, NON-DRUM-IN-THE-CEILING-OF-THE-SHOP, Oil.
- Change 3000 miles religiously. Not 3 months OR 3000 Miles.
3000 miles, no ifs, ands, or buts.
Note - this is normal maintainence schedule for cars these days.
The problems came from people going to Jiffy-Lube(recycled oil!)
and waiting a typical slacker 5000+ miles, then whining that
their engine can't handle the abuse that their old cars could.
Properly maintained, it will never have this problem. Toyota
should, though, put a 2 months/2000 miles oil change schedule
on their cars. That will mean people actually get them in
at 3/3000 like normal.
That's very easy to check when you chance the oil every 2 months
or so. Get a lifetime alignment package at your favorite tire
store and checking bushings is almost idiot-proof.
That's why you get the 5 speed.
Well, what do you want for $13K? Name me a Hyundai for this price
that gives you as much. Or just go spend $25K on a LeSabre and
get no problems. You get what you pay for, and with a $2500
rebate, you'll not find a better under $15K GM vehicle in their
entire lineup. Note, you CAN order it with leather seats in
2005 if you want. You might consider a 2006 with leather
and literally 1-2 options to make it more comfortable.
Ah. That was YOU. Stop whining. Seriously. A 4000 pound
car hits yours at 25mph... That's almost exactly like taking
your car into a wall at 35-40mph in a crash test, due to the
I had a rep at a contracting company who took his wife's toyota Camry to the
Toyota dealer every 3000 miles for oil changes and still ended up with a
dead engine at 30k and Toyota refused to warranty it denying any sludge
Well, the fact is that GM makes crap at the low end, like Ford and
Chrysler do, with a couple of notable exceptions. That the original
poster mentioned Hyundai told me that he was looking for a budget
ride. GM only makes one decent econobox these days, to be honest.
Everything else is SUVs or large cars. Of course, Honda is taking
a simmilar approach - their Civic isn't a compact car either.
The LeSabre is okay - decent all around but it feels heavy
and "retired person". The Impala, based off of the same
platform, sells for a bit less and has a bit better suspension.
It's a better car to drive in and out of traffic, and IMO,
looks better, too. With the 3.8 engine, it's a very nice
ive owned a malibu an impala and a hyundai and liked them all.. but you must
be kidding if you think they can run without oil.. you have to stay on top
of maintenance.. oil changes are essential for anything with an engine...
warranties were good on all of them and the hyundai accent was a great
starter car for my broke ass back then gave me no trouble .. sucked on the
highway with road noise and a bit cramped for long drives but what did you
expect..but the front wheel drive was like a lil snow crawler and could
climb the slickest hills...now the impala.. you pay more you get more.. it
flies .. it costs more at the pumps.. but i love it might as well compare
boeing 747's to ultralights
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