Typical Cadillac attitude. "I bought a Cadillac,
therefore everything must be done for free, forever
We deal with those types of customers all day long
unfortunately. Of course, the tiniest leak that "must"
be fixed under warranty is quickly ignored when the
Cadillac owner becomes responsible for it. As is
nodding in agreement...simular to many vette owners that ive dealt with
that feel they must be 1st in line no matter when they drive in. always was
entertaining! not a cut to cadi owners but the line has been kinda pushed
to middle class of luxury cars with the onslaught of asian lux. cars....it
was nice to see them come out with a p/u tho. helps keep lincoln
Because they might want to sell me another car? Oh I forgot,
they don't make any money selling the things -- just
I'm convinced GM deliberately designs systems so complicated
they can force you to come back to dealers to have them
serviced. Owners can't even perform routine maintenance
anymore because it requires special tools or filters/parts
available only at the dealer. Really disgusting and one
reason I've stopped having anything done except an
occasional oil change because I don't keep the things past
God did the same thing when he made man, every time my model breaks I have
to take it to a doctor to have it repaired. All I can do is feed it and use
it, never been able to do any surgery on it myself. Can't even buy a manual
for this particular model, what was He thinking, that He was GM?
Life is a sexually transmitted condition that is always fatal.
Right! That's certainly what we do at our dealership...hang
around waiting for do things for free so "you might" buy
another car. People like you won't be happy anywhere
anyways....so you might just as well bugger off.
How very ethical of you! Just pass your un-maintained vehicle
onto the next poor shmuck eh?
Whatever you're used to Ian. Any name calling is pretty sophomoric. Most
of us just yak about Corvettes, and I guess occasionally get under someone's
saddle with something about a Cadillac, which I think is what upset you.
People come an go, but yes, this is a pretty civil group. Hope you enjoy it
since it is usually much different than many others.
I didn't respond with the "yutz" comment, was more just responding
to your response. Usually, the only thing that gets my goat is the
enormous number of people that imagine far more items on their
cars ought to be repaired for free.
I'm only here because of the cross posts. Guess I'll trim out the
Corvette group. Nice cars, but I have to work on the things during
the day, so it's just another car to me. Though I did just take an
06 ragtop out for a spin yesterday.....I really...really...like the new
Corvettes. They look better, drive better, feel better....and did I
mention they look better? Unfortunately, GM has managed to
make them even more difficult to work on. We have one (06) in
the shop getting something done to the left fuel tank sending unit.
The whole rear drivetrain has to come out, just to get the fuel
tank in and out. Oh well, winter is coming and we usually don't
see the Corvettes until spring and summer.
A tire pressure sensing system that needs recalibration with tire
changes seems like a lot of bother and expense. A much simpler, less
expensive and more reliable option would be a good tire pressure gauge
stored on the glove compartment.
Good idea, how often do you check your tire pressure? Not a day goes by
while driving do I not see tires that are under inflated, so having that
gage in the compartment does little good unless used. With runflat tires the
side walls are stiff enough that you can't visually "gage" the tire
pressure. Since I like a car to run at peak tune, that includes tire
pressure, it is a simple matter to check them while running down the road. I
check my tire pressure nearly every time I drive the car. It took very
little time to read the correct way to recalibrate the sensors and it takes
less time that checking the pressure with a gage. On a trip through the
Rockies I hit a sharp stone very hard and was able to bring up the tire
pressure and watch it until I was where I could get safely off the road and
out of traffic to check for damage. At that point the cost of the pressure
sensors was cheap to say the least.
Another system I see coming on line looks even better. It senses the
rotating radius of all of the tires, ties into the braking and traction
control system, and if it varies enough it will bring up a "low tire
pressure" message on your DIC. By utilizing the systems already in place and
working with the programming it brings about a very good and inexpensive
I miss my Cadillacs - ;-(
How often do I check tire pressure - every time I fill up. And I'm
able to run the low profile wide tread tires on my car at least 10,000
miles longer than I would otherwise. And I rotate them regularly.
True, but the same can be said for a pressure monitoring system. For
many drivers it will probably end up being another check engine light
to be ignored.
Anyone who thinks they can visually estimate 4 or 5 psi pressure loss
with a regular radial tire is kidding themselves. Sure you can tell if
a tire is at 20 psi when it should be at 35, but by then the damage is
done. A simple pressure guage is apparently far more reliable that the
built-in pressure sensing systems. How does the pressure monitoring
system warn the average owner that it needs to be recalibrated to give
a meaningful reading. That is a serious limitation for most drivers.
You are rare indeed, seldom if ever have I seen anyone check their tires
when they fill up, but then I've only been driving for 50+ years. How wide
is wide? The 285-35-19 that I run will go way past the estimated mileage as
they show on the tread depth right now for 11,000 and I don't rotate. Even
when I worked in a service station in the early sixties we had to ask if the
customer wanted his tires checked. Very few checked the tires and just a few
had you check the oil.
So your contention is that those that ignore a trouble message will be using
a tire pressure gage, get real. Very hard to ignore and it don't shut off by
Didn't even suggest that anyone could judge the actual pressure in a regular
radial tire by it's looks, my reason for making that statement is because
the runflats don't show any signs of low pressure at all, regardless of the
amount. I see that you have had no experience with a runflat tire and
therefore no experience with a pressure monitoring system.
How do you know that? As far as the accuracy of a hand held tire gage,
forget it. If you take most of them out and check the same tire with
different gages of the same make they will give you varied readings. The
only thing you know is that the pressure is similar in all four tires by
using one gage.
Actually the Corvette system seldom needs "recalibrating" if ever, but it
throws a warning if the readings vary considerably between all four tires.
The pressure seems to be monitored very well as checked by an industrial
dial pressure gage with a tire chuck attached, not the $1.97 trash that most
people use. Of the 4 Corvettes I've had with pressure monitors I've
recalibrated them maybe a half dozen time, and all of those were when I was
mounting racing tires on different rims with diffrent sensors and/or
switching back to street tires. After the first time they would set
themselves and not require recalibration because they went to the same
Life is a waste of time
Time is a waste of life
Pressure checking is not so rare at least in my area.
Nope, my point is that a pressure warning system is a tool that could
be useful, but will be ignored by many and will become little more than
another expensive automated gadget t ignore or figure out how to switch
off. A pressure gauge will be as effective an automated warning system
for most drivers. And it will be a whole lot cheaper.
Unfortunately there are a lot of drivers who have conditioned
themselves to routinely ignore the check engine and engine warning
lamps as well as the text messages that scroll across the dashboard
display. Like the many people who continue to run out of gas after the
needle has passed into the orange area AND the red warning light has
Quoting you: ...are stiff enough you can't visually "gage" the tire
pressure. It is not possible to visually gauge tire pressure with any
reliability under any circumstance period.
Really now. If handheld gauges are that inaccurate then how useful or
accurate can we expect a pressure sensing system to be. Remember, it
is nothing more than analog sensors rigged to a digital display. And
how can a driver rely on such a system if it goes out of calibration
with no warning. I've checked several different handheld gauges and
they are plenty close enough for maintaining reasonably accurate
Your experience does not appear to be the same as the caddy owner -
strange isn't it. Come to think of it I have never had a handheld
analog gauge go out of calibration.
That's an "unusual" way of dealing with life, wouldn't you say?
Ah yes, it is cheaper and the pressure monitering system will be very hard
to remove cheaply from any car that is built with it in the system. I assume
that you will not buy a car after the required pressure sensors are in the
2010 models? Actually seems like your point is that you're cheap and the
government can't change that by mandating pressure sensors. By the way they
are also trying to get the runflats mandatory are you going to resist that
also or just the pressure sensors?
Wow, you got that down pat, I've never seen that orange area or the red
light, what happens next? You are still suggesting these people will use a
tire gage over reacting to a warning light?
Now come on, is it the thumpty thump that tells you a tire is flat? Or, big
question here, can you see that the rim is very close to the ground or the
tire has a much larger bulge in the side, (runflat not included), than do
the others on the vehicle? Actually you can see it, you can hear it, you can
feel it, and last but not least, you can smell them when they go flat, all
of this is under certain conditions of course.
Did you ever hear about offsets for tweaking the accuracy of the interface
between a electronic component and its sensor? My assumption is that if a
system goes out with no warning that it is the same as any other aspect of
life, you deal with it. Why do you think they go out without warning, I
don't remember that being the issue? Nothing was said about that, only when
his tires were rotated and the revenue enhancement guru kicked in.
You should use it more, but then close is good enough as you seem to think.
All of our analog gages were calibrated on a regular basis and they do/did
fail, but then I dealt with precision gages and if you do it would surprise
me. My direct reference was to the Corvette as it is cross posted, I would
expect you to realize that. In reality the Cadillac owner was talking about
them wanting an added cost figure for resetting his sensors. My first reply
was how to do it yourself. You are the one that is fixated on the
usefulness/value of the pressure monitoring system.
Can be and if that's the way you might choose to live, that is your choice.
Life is a sexually transmitted condition that is always fatal.
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