I was looking to the future and reflecting on the past. Right now
although the US quality has improved it still lags the Japanese
manufacturers, so there is more work to do, but the quality gap has
closed, however, if it's the case that Asian car quality is that much
more superior what are the Asian Manufacturers afraid of? This is just
one example, there are other industries that are effected in exactly
the same way, ie: unfair trading behaviour.
They have a huge advantage if they can export with impunity while
denying the same access to the US manufacturers. Why aren't more
I think part of the problem is the fact that the American
manufacturers build for the North American market while the Asian and
Europeans build for the world, and on top of that the US manufacturers
have ceded large parts of the market due to lax and incompetent
management, through relying on Suv's and trucks, a very complacent
approach that only now is coming to fruition with massive loss of
market share for the US manufacturers as both the Suv and truck
markets have started to go south.
Also while relying on bulk sales to the car leasing companies look
good as far a volume is concerned they represent little in profit per
car, again a complacent approach that is a result and responsibility
of US auto makers management, I don't think you can blame the unions,
as I understand it the Japanese manufactures pay the same compensation
to their non-unionized members as the unionized US car manufacturer's
Couldn't have said it better myself! (or, why didn't I think of that! ;)
But I think you really nailed the situation down.
The only thing I will add is, while quality may be closing, I think the
Japanese are starting to make cars more cheaply so as to increase profits.
My Scion sounds downright tinny! The manufacturing seems to be good, and
the parts good, but I notice more clips and fewer bolts, and the like.
And, I think the Americans have come quite a ways up! I had a customer who
gave me a '92 Grand Voyager and a '94 Chrysler LHS. The Voyager had some
'problems'...but just kept running and running, and the LHS was a NICE
CAR! Had 160,000 when I traded it for the Scion, which I now see as a
mistake. I should have held out for $1,000, or just kept it! It was well
worth keeping. I kept the van because it was easier to work on, and I was
using it a lot, but I sure do miss that LHS...
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:12:07 -0700, JoeBillyBob wrote:
I started buying cars in the 70's, and after my Mom's first Toyota, a '72
Corona, I was sold. I was going to buy a '73 Celica, but it had been hit,
so I went with a '74 Corolla 1200 (HA! It was so inexpensive, I was a
junior in High School with a Brand-New car!!!)
Never looked back...
Mine had afew bumps and groans; one dent in the trunk, a leaky trans
cooler line and leaky valve cover gaskets. Other than that, that car was
COOL! And when I first got it, fuel economy was as good as my Scion! It
started slipping the second year...I was only getting 23 MPG overall!
I just did a 1,000 km highway drive and my LH still gets
8.0 L/100 (US 29 mpg)at 65mph as it always has. It only has about 90K
miles on it.
I've treated the transmission well and it shifts as new.
The 3.3L engine will probably continue as new forever. I've never had an
engine that continues as new for so long.
Neither the engine or engine have had any unusual maintenance problems.
Even though I drive on winter roads to the ski hills the body is still
Thank goodness it is standing up so well, because what is available in
the car market doesn't impress me. I've set a 25% fuel mileage
improvement as my objective. Some new models are interesting, but I'll
give them two years to mature.
I'm now trading maintenance for depreciation and don't know what I'll do
with all the money I'm saving.
Hmmm...3.3L? Mine had a 3.5. Made in Canada...
I was getting about 29MPG when I got it, but after a year and a half it
was slipping to 22-23. Never did figure out why.
I also had mine sprayed with hydraulic oil before it's first full New
England winter. It was from Florida. Don't ask me how a Canadian built car
wound up so far south!!
Oddly enough, Ford and GM both make AWESOME rear wheel drive V8 cars
for Australia, and they both make highly regarded subcompact cars for
I would crap my pants with glee if we could get a Holden Commodore
(GM) or a Ford Falcon over here in America. Hell, I'd even buy a euro-
spec Focus. Unfortunately, for some reason, Ford and GM won't sell
their best cars here and we have to put up with crap like the Mondeo
and the Equinox. Blech.
| Oddly enough, Ford and GM both make AWESOME rear wheel drive V8 cars
| for Australia, and they both make highly regarded subcompact cars for
| I would crap my pants with glee if we could get a Holden Commodore
| (GM) or a Ford Falcon over here in America. Hell, I'd even buy a euro-
| spec Focus. Unfortunately, for some reason, Ford and GM won't sell
| their best cars here and we have to put up with crap like the Mondeo
| and the Equinox. Blech.
It's getting closer than you think... for a holden at least.
And I wouldn't touch one with a 10 foot pole.
I worked at a Toyota dealer in '05. They are ALL getting a little 'cheaper'.
BTW, test times for the tC with the 2.4 L engine are within 10ths of a
second of my '88 Supra with the N/A engine when it was tested new. Good
enough for me. And it even makes my 'Hachiroku' seem like a sled...
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