For 2-3 minutes after cold start up in the morning, my '07 Accord V6
with only 50K properly maintained miles chugs and is rough under load,
especially just before the shift point when it's straining a little.
Cold engine start/run is normal and engine diagnosis is OK. After warm
up, car shifts just fine. Consensus is A/T fluid needs to be changed.
Some dealers say flush, some say drain/refill-- but Honda service
bulletin says drain and refill 3X only which is what owner's manual
specifies also. Also talked to some transmission repair places too.
Not sure what to do here. Doesn't look all that hard to drain/refill
myself and that's a lot cheaper than what's being quoted for dealer
flush or drain/refill. But if flushing will clean it out better, maybe
Everyone brings joy to my life. Some when they enter it and some when
they leave it.
It is very easy to do, easier than changing oil - so if you can change
oil you can do it.
I just did my 07 v6 a few weeks ago because at 90000 it was looking
brownish rather than reddish. I have not noticed any difference in
shifting, but I didn't have a problem to start with either.
The Honda recommended fluid is now Honda DW-1 (and not the Honda ATF-Z1
that your book says). Personally I would not mess around with using
anything other than the Honda fluid.
It's easy to drain, a 3/8 ratchet or breaker bar fits into the plug.
It's probably a good idea to use a new crush washer on the final fill,
buy one for a few cents when you get the fluid.
You do not refill the trans through the dipstick tube. There is a fill
plug approx 8 inches straight back toward the firewall from where the
dipstick tube is. Mine had a red mark and is stamped "ATF". The plug
is assessable with a socket and extension but mine was extremely tight
and required 2ft of cheater bar.
On 5/1/2014 10:18 AM, Travis Bickle wrote:
Unless you have one of the recalled 02 models, for example, where they
ran a new permanent line into the proper fill port as part of the
recall. On those models, you must fill through the dipstick tube.
I'd say drain and refill more often, rather than flush less often,
would be likely to have best results. Especially if Honda recommends
drain and refill!
My experience with Honda trannies with more than a few miles is that
once they start acting funny the new fluid helps for only a short
while, couple of months. I had all dealer service so assume it was
I would tend to agree but...
How many of us truly trust the dealer to drain and fill 3X?
I can only imagine the bean counter at the dealership saying drain/fill
1X = <3X profit since we save 2/3rd of the tranny fluid which we bill
out and 2/3rds of the book time.
Of course, no dealer would do that would they?<g>
The Honda dealership that I'm familiar with charges $79.95 for a
transmission service which is one drain and fill.
If you specify three drain and fills I think they will do it but it will
cost more like $240.00.
When you drain most Honda transmissions about 3 quarts of the 6 or 7
that they hold will come out. So a simple drain and fill will get you
about a 50 -50 mix of new and old fluid. That pretty much goes down as
a normal service. I think most customers probably assume they have 100%
new for their 80 bucks, but that's not how it is.
I think the over the counter price of Honda fluid is about $13.00 a
quart. That would make the 'parts' price of a single drain and fill
On 5/1/2014 10:39 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
My point, exactly.
When one pays for Honda service at a Honda dealership it is not
unreasonable to expect the dealership to follow Honda's recommended
service procedure - after all, is that not ALL dealerships' claim to
"fame", that they will do it right?
It's just too easy to foist another one off on the consumer without even
having to bother to ask them to bend over and "drop trou"<g>
You "think"? Have you actually ASKED?
The procedure is simple: drain, fill, drive a mile or two to mix it all
up, drain, fill, drive a mile or two, drain, fill.
I doubt they charge 3X the base charge at all.
I don't know why you would doubt it - it is MORE than 3 times more work
and exactly 3 times more parts (fluid). It requires coming into the
shop 3 times instead of 1, being lifted 3 times instead of one, leaving
the shop twice to be driven for a few minutes instead of not being
driven at all.
Why would I ask? I already said I do mine myself. I only said that I
know the price of one drain and fill at one particular dealership is
79.95 and would reasonably expect 3 to be about 3 times as much. Given
the dealership price of the fluid is about $117 for 9 quarts, a shop
hour is about $90, plus disposal fees, so yeah "I think" 240 is a
reasonable ballpark estimate for three drain and fills at a dealership.
But the point really was that a NORMAL service is one drain and fill.
Would not surprise me if that's what my dealer did, but it was years
ago I last faced this, probably on a 1999 Acura CL V6, where the
trannie misbehaved since day one. I finally had the fluid changed
(whatever they actually did) around 30k miles and once or twice more
inside of four years. I'm thinking the charge was closer to $80 than
Since then I've been leasing Accord I4s, and I think one of them got a
little funky towards the end of the lease but the others' trannies all
were OK for the three years I drove them.
And the CVT on my 2013 is more fun than a barrel of monkeys, but
doesn't seem (yet) to have any fluid issues. Well maybe, sometimes at
startup when I engage reverse there is what seems like major slippage,
but so far it hasn't left me stranded.
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