A minority, but fairly large, percentage of car buyers are enthusiasts
that understand how things work.
My wife doesn't have a clue how things work. She still told me, "the
temperature gauge on my car is going about a half-division higher than
it used to when I'm at a light, do you think something might be wrong?"
That's when I found the dead fan motor. That would have never...
NEVER... happened with a light or an "idiot" gauge that snaps to its
normal range or to 'overheat'. The gauge in her car is entirely modern-
its digitally driven by the body control module based on a feed from the
powertrain control module, which gets the information from the analog
sensor... HOWEVER, it moves linearly and accurately with temperature
inside the normal operating range and a bit to either side, so you can
very clearly see small changes. Its the best of both worlds.
Not as narrow as yours, apparently. You're the one that wants to force
every driver to the lowest common denominator of instrumentation.
Its also harmless to them. Better yet, after watching a gauge a while,
they'll learn what it means just like my wife did.
nah - there's a HUGE difference between those that /think/ they know and
those that /actually/ do. i know that from having been on both sides of
the vehicle fence - pure engineering and technician. even if you gave
an "enthusiast" a "real" temp gauge, what are you going to do with the
information? i know a thing or two about vehicle design, but unless i
had a specific usage/conditions map for my vehicle, i wouldn't be able
to "use" the readout. and even if i did, it /still/ wouldn't mean
anything substantive to operation unless it was over spec!
God you're dumb.
I've already given you two instances, one by a COMPLETE NON-TECHNICAL
driver (my wife) where a gauge saved an engine.
And in the other case where I (an engineer) was able to detect a failed
filter by abnormal (but still technically in-spec) pressure behavior.
Debate over, proof presented, no question remaining.
Weird. Here it seems like you're supporting the argument I've been
making all along.
and then in another post, you write:
maintain their cars, can suddenly see the gauges and know what to think about
got on Daddy's computer come bombing into a newsgroup where (Lloyd
notwithstanding...) we've all had pretty informative, intelligent, and rational
conversations for years... and presume to tell us that we don't have a clue.
I'm so confused.
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
And you expect that the car buying and car using public at large--who
are not engineers, and who can barely find their way to the
bathroom--would benefit from such a gauge.
Would buy such a gauge.
You're an ignorant asshole. That's all there is to it. You show it
every time you open your mouth.
It's not harmless at all--as described earlier in this thread, with
fluctuating gauges simply reflecting normal operation. But, the
ignorant people seeing the fluctuation immediately assumed "something's
wrong," and took the car in for service.
That's right. In another few years, they'll eliminate ALL the
instrumentation. No more speedometers, since automated governors
linked by radio to the electronic highway system will make it
impossible to speed. No more temperature gauges, voltmeters, or
oil pressure gauges.
In the new era, there will just be one light on the dashboard,
that says "REPLACE CAR" and when it comes on, the GPS system will
print directions to the nearest GM dealer that you can give to the
taxi cab driver that Onstar will dispatch.
Oh, actually, I take that back. They'll still be selling automatics
with a tachometer, because everybody knows tachometers are cool.
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Don't be so sure that the temeprature gauge is any better than the idiot
light. Many US and Japanese manufacturers now install temperature gauges
that are controlled by the engine computer (PCM) instead of directly by a
temperature transducer. They move upwards sort of like a "real" temperature
gauge as the car warms up, but it is an act controlled by the PCM. The
guage moves only in response to the commands from the PCM. Unless the car
overheats, the gauge is commanded to the "normal" position. Some have an
intermediate position between "normal" and "hot," some don't. Either way, it
is only a little better than the "idiot" light you don't like. I don't know
if the cars you mentioned have this sort of guage. I know my Ford Fusion and
Nissan Frontier do. I think my SO's RAV4 does as well, but I have not had a
chance to review the wiring diagrams to be sure. I suspect if you want
"real" gauges you will need to install them yourself, or buy a German car.
They were thinking "DAMN I wish all these nitwits that are complaining
because the oil pressure gauge moves when the engine changes speed would
go away and let us build cars!!"
People that don't have a clue about how an engine works and were
complaining to Ford about 'fluctuating oil pressure' (which was in fact
perfectly normal) are EXACTLY why Ford went to an idiot gauge (pressure
switch) way back when.
The "my car is a toaster" crowd that made the Camry the best stilling
POS in the world is ruining the driving experience for the rest of us
more and more every day.
Again, its not MY problem, I'm just commenting on it as a symptom of how
ignorant of how a car works the average driver has become.
Besides I have 5 cars that suit my taste beautifully, and there are
plenty of others I'd love to have (a Challenger SRT-8 tops the list, but
that aint gonna happen unless I were to sell the '69 R/T convertible and
that's not bloody likely)
No, it's a symptom of how appliance-like the cars have become--which
depends on, and also feeds, the fact that auto transportation has become
a necessity--not a hobby, not a luxury.
When the Model T came out, you had to know everything about the car and
be your own mechanic. Of course, that was OK back then. Now imagine
the Model T being the primary source of transportation today.
Face it: technology starts out in the labs, then hits the early
adopters, then eventually becomes mainstream--and appliance-like. I
don't have to know how a computer works just to be able to take and send
pictures on my cell phone.
You don't like that technology becomes an appliance. Tough shit.
That's how life works.
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