Anyone having any issues with the mileage ?
I just bought a 2007 Tucson 4wd 2.7L and started with around 13 mpg. I
just drove from new York to Chicago round trip plus some side trips
and it went up to 18 mpg. Total mileage 2500. 2000 of which is interstate
I'm home 1 day now and driving around town it's already down to 17.9.
I called the dealer and I'll be bringing it in this week, but the
salesman started with the " break-in period" . When I questioned how long
till I see the rated 28 or so highway, he didn't know.
It's only rated at 19/24 by the EPA. It would take very carefull
driving to match that.
This is why I'm so pissed about them dropping the hatchback Elantra.
The Tuscon uses the same running gear but the body style has so much
more wind drag the milage takes a severe hit.
> GUEST wrote:
> Anyone having any issues with the mileage ?
just bought a 2007 Tucson 4wd 2.7L and started with around 13
drove from new York to Chicago round trip plus some side trips
> and it went up
to 18 mpg. Total mileage 2500. 2000 of which is
I'm home 1 day now and driving around town it's already down to
I called the dealer and I'll be bringing it in this week, but
salesman started with the " break-in period" . When I
questioned how long
till I see the rated 28 or so highway, he didn't know.
I do not
understand why people buy SUVs. They are
not economy cars. If you want gas
milage, get a Prius.
Back in the 'old days', I drove a VW beetle through some major snowstorms in
NE Pa and never got stuck, so the argument of large is better in snow isn't
always true. Driving in snow is more a function of the skills of the driver
and familiarity with his car's reaction in snow.
The only time, IMO, that a 4x4 or truck is better in the snow is when it is
deep on the road. I think the last time I needed 4 wheel drive was the
blizzard of 1996 here in NJ, when we had 32-36" of snow in 36 hours (and
drifts to 7'). It snowed so fast and hard that the plows just gave up.
Since I work for a utility, I had to come in to work, albeit for an hour or
so. I remember driving through Princeton in my 1984 GMC 4x4 (it was the
small truck). The snow was so deep that I was plowing it with the front of
Other than that type of situation, I can't imagine needing 4 wheel drive in
the snow. Unless you lived in an area that didn't get plowed or you plow
And the other poster was 100% on when they said about the SUV's usually
being the one in the ditch during a small snow storm. People don't seem to
learn much driving skill any more. The funny thing to me is that it really
doesn't take that much to learn how to really drive.
I read two examples in this thread, of memories/examples of cars that didn't
get stuck in snow...a Beetle and a Corvair. OK I'll give ya that, but that
was over thirty year ago boys, if you are going to give me examples of cars
that don't get stuck in snow, then try and keep it in this decade. And Ed
said "4WD is better in deep snow, but on a plowed
highway, good tires and good driving skills are the better choice." On a
plowed highway? That would mean no snow, right? I guess I might have to
agree with that, if your premise for the "better choice" is better economy,
but I guess I will have to sit at home until the roads are plowed..
If given the choice; I would rather have a Tucson, or Forester, etc over a
two wheel drive car because of the increased traction.
A "plowed road" will still have some snow cover, generally in the 1 to 3
OK, recent cars that don't get stuck in the snow:
1. Every car I've owned since my 1962 Corvair.
I have never been stuck in snow less than about 4" or so with a 2WD sedan.
Fact is, the plows keep the roads in good shape around here so it is unusual
to see more than that except under extreme circumstances.
If you live on a farm, five miles from the nearest paved road, you may have
some troubles. I live in northeast Connecticut and we get from 48 to 96
inches of snowfall a year. I've yet to be able to drive on any road at any
time in the 26 years I've been in this area.
Things may be different where you live, but for most of the northeast
portion of the country, and most populous areas in the snowbelt, the need
for 4WD is minimal given the response of the snow removal equipment around
today. I remember putting chains on cars 40+ years ago but I don't even see
them sold around here any more.
If you live on top of a mountain, get the 4WD. If you are in an urban or
suburban areas, you'd be hard pressed to truly justify the need. Most of
the idiots you see on the evening news are sliding on ice or driving too
fast for conditions and no amount of driven wheels would help them get
control and stop when needed.
After a heavy snowstorm our ancient AMC Eagle 4WD wagon is the only
thing we have that can navigate our long driveway until it is plowed
out. (With all wheels driven and good ground clearance, the Eagle
charges right through deep snow.)
When new-car shopping we considered a Tuscon but were concerned with
the reports of very poor gas mileage, especially with V6 and 4WD. (In
fact by some accounts, the Tuscon actually gets a little worse mileage
in actual use than our decades-old Eagle with its emissions-strangled,
carbureted inline six and old-style 3-speed automatic!) While the
Sonata is not an economy car, the mileage is quite acceptable for a
vehicle of its type; we get about 22 mpg around town and just shy of
30 mpg on long trips.
In theory, you may have a point, but we get a fair amount of snow here and I
see more SUV's in the ditch than plain old sedans. Could partly be the
superiority attitude of the SUV driver that thinks his high center of
gravity vehicle is invincible. 4WD is better in deep snow, but on a plowed
highway, good tires and good driving skills are the better choice.
Best car I ever had for snow was a Corvair with 13" wheels.
I have an '03 Tib and have taken that thru some pretty bad snow storms and
it has always felt more sure footed in the snow that my last car an '92
Accord coupe (even when it was new). I would like something with a little
more ground clearance for snow weather since the neighborhood roads out to
the secondary do not always get plowed in a timely fashion, not to mention
the 18" of show and ice that accumulates in the intersection. ;-)
I know I got hung up on it last year.....
So a second vehicle such as a SUV would have its advantages.
As much of the groups has posted, no way. However, cruise control and a K &
N filter allows my 06 Sonata LX to near if not go over the EPA stated
mileage. I pulled 31.7 the other day on a required trip to my Corporate HQ
in Las Vegas. I've seen 32 on my trips to Tucson, AZ
The K&N filters do help airflow but beware of overoiling the filter when you
clean it. The oil vapors will destroy your mass airflow sensor. Also, It
really shouldn't impact fuel economy because the fuel/air mixture is set by
the computer. If air flows in more easily through your filter, the computer
will still adjust to the same mixture. The K&N's are great for older cars
before computers but do nothing for newer models, IMHO.
Fuel economy isn't just a function if air/fuel ratio. It is also a
function of pumping loss. Pulling air past a restriction requires
energy and the energy comes from the fuel. A less restrictive intake
and/or exhaust will reduce pumping loss and in theory will increase fuel
efficiency. However, the restriction from a paper element filter is
extremely low to start with so the K&N advantage is very small. I'd be
very surprised if the difference in fuel economy is enough to even
detect without very sophisticated instrumentation. A K&N may flow
better when heavily loaded than will a paper element filter, but very
few street vehicles will clog a paper filter in even 50,000 miles. I
still have the original air filter on my 2003 Dodge minivan at 85,000
miles and it is barely dirty. Unless you drive off-road or on a lot of
dirt roads behind other vehicles, you simply don't pick up much dust.
Old cars had the intake inside the engine compartment behind the front
wheels and the turbulence in the engine compartment from normal airflow
and the big old metal fans would stir a lot of road dust up around the
engine where the intake snorkle would pick it up. Virtually all modern
vehicles have the air intake up high behind the grill with a plastic
duct carrying the air to the air filter and then the fuel injector.
Even on a dirt road, you don't get dust into the top of the grill unless
you are driving behind another vehicle or passing a steady stream of
vehicles going the other direction. This is very different from the
"old days" when the engine compartment intake would pick up dust from
your own vehicle, not just other vehicles.
You're right, Matt. The computer can only vary the injector timing to a
certain % so if the filter is really clogged, you'll end up with a rich
mixture. You can see this quite easily if you are behind a diesel car that
has been neglected and not had it's air filter changed. It'll smoke like
it's at a tractor pull. :o)
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