achilles heel clutch hydraulics AGAIN...

Well here we go for about the 5th time.

93 Wrangler 4 cyl.

The slave cylinder goes "bad". Then the master cylinder "goes bad", and then "leaks internally". Then the (goofy) plastic "line" between them goes bad. (say wha? a plastic line with quick disconnects on a hydraulic line???)

I've been round and round with this every few months and it's always the same. Only this time I happened to be near a jeep "specialist" who has "fixed " all 3 parts and now that he put a master cylinder in it lasted, oh, about 10 minutes.

Over the months I've called dealerships; the last one said the master Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted to buy an aftermarket one somewhere and bring it in they'd charge 1 hr. labor to put it on.

What kind of insanity is this? Does everyone have this problem? Doesn't anyone make a real cable replacement for the INANE engineering fiasco that seems to be this hydraulic clutch control?

Capt. Purple

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Captain Purple
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Jeep went to a different bell housing design and external slave cylinder for the 1994 model year. You could probably pick up all the parts fairly cheaply at a recycling yard.

Earle

then "leaks internally". Then the

with quick disconnects on a hydraulic

same. Only this time I happened to be

a master cylinder in it lasted, oh,

Cylinder was "obsolete" and if I wanted

labor to put it on.

anyone make a real cable replacement

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Earle Horton

Earl, How do you suppose I (or anyone) is supposed to get this external slave cylinder to operate the internal mechanism? Part of my point was I was wondering if anyone had the foresight to invent a retrofit kit or a conversion kit, or a real conversion kit that changed the whole thing to for example a cable operation.

CP.

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Captain Purple

cylinder to operate the

foresight to invent a retrofit kit

for example a cable operation.

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RoyJ

Will Honea has actually done it

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so he would bethe one to ask. But the "retrofit kit" you mention would be a bell housing,throwout bearing, slave cylinder and associated parts from a 1994 or 1995 YJwith the same engine as yours. (Same engine is very important.) For a cable operation you would still have to change the bell housing, throwout bearing and actuating lever, in order to gain mechanical access to the clutch. Since that is true, there wouldn't be much advantage to using a cable setup. At the truck dealership where I once worked, they fixed any clutch linkage problem by converting to a cable setup using Mack OEM parts. If you don't have ready access to the parts and some familiarity with them, then that is not really a viable option.

Earle

slave cylinder to operate the

foresight to invent a retrofit kit

to for example a cable operation.

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Earle Horton

Earl Well that DOES make sense. But back to asking everyone abbout their trials and tribulations with this mess. What does everyone do? Surely I can't be the only doofus with a problem like this...?

CP

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Captain Purple

I don't know about a cable, but conversion to an external slave is a no-brainer and the parts cost is pretty much a wash if you have to pull the transmission to get to the old internal slave anyway. Even my '88 bell housing had all the necessary bosses and holes for the external slave setup. Things were a little harder on the '88 since the master on it used a threaded connection for the line but if you already have the quick connect push-in type you should be good to go. New style throwout bearing, throwout arm and pivot ball, new external slave and you're in business.

cylinder to operate the

foresight to invent a retrofit kit

for example a cable operation.

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Will Honea

slave cylinder to operate the

foresight to invent a retrofit kit

to for example a cable operation.

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Will Honea

Will, seems like very good advice. I wonder if anyone else has done this mod? I searched and googled and came up rather empty handed. CP.

slave cylinder to operate the

foresight to invent a retrofit kit

to for example a cable operation.

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Captain Purple

There was a guy who did a write up and put it on his web site, but unlike Bill I tend to lose things after a few years so I can't find the URL. You might be able to dig it out by Googling the newgroups back about 4-5 years. His writeup was more about doing the whole transmission swap than than just the clutch. One thing I forgot about was that I did have to tap the holes for the slave mount - they weren't tapped deep enough for the slave bolts that replaced the stupid dust cover/hose holder. I also had to modify the new master was slightly off on the mounting holes and the bottom ear was about

1/16 too long, but that was because I was putting YJ parts into an MJ. If you go to the boneyard for parts, look for a 94+ YJ and get the whole bell housing and throwout assembly while you're at it. Also, watch the size of the front bearing retainer that the throwout bearing slides on. On my 88 I had to watch the parts I used closer than if I had done it one something like yours since there were several minor glitches because of the old BA 10/5 that it came with.

I just had to replace the external slave last summer - the > Will, seems like very good advice. I wonder if anyone else has done this mod?

I searched and googled and came

slave cylinder to operate the

foresight to invent a retrofit

to for example a cable

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Will Honea

i have had the clutch problem in both my 89 4 cyc and my 92 I-6... i learned the hardway to take it to a jeep speacialist because the local shops are complete dumbasses when it comes to jeeps... had the 89 in and outa the shop for around 2-3 months.. to find out to finaly fix the problem they riged it so it would stop leaken long enough to get me outta the shop and to stop coming back.

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Jon

Hmmm... that's at least part of the problem, I DID take it to a "specialist"... So what DID they do to stop it leaking?

CP.

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Captain Purple

Captain, you need to take it to a real specialist, not a wannabe.

Either that, or learn enough about Jeeps to fix it yourself. It's a tough world, but it's possible to get along in it.

Earle

"specialist"...

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Earle Horton

Have been going through the same thing with my 87 2.5. Every year I have proublems. The clutch just went out today. So this weekend I'll go at it. Not sure what to start with first. Jeeps ya gotta luv-um

Later Mike

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Mike chambers

Advance Adapters used to have a heavy duty replacement for the slave cylinder. They are at

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. I don't know whetherthey still make the part, but one of their sales persons can tell you. The bell housing and slave setup from a 1994 or newer vehicle seems to be the better solution. If you are looking for parts on the Internet,
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is a pretty good site. I just checked to seeit they were still there, and wound up buying the half door window grommetsI have been needing for some time now. Earle

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