Carfax worth it?

Why would they supply it? They want to sell the vehicle presumably. I have never had a dealership refuse.

That is true, I could never make a living as a salesman.

That being said I have received CarFaxs on every car I have considered for a number of years now and have only paid for the one on a car I bought from a private owner.

In this area (SW Ohio) there is no resistance, by legitimate dealerships, to provide this service.

I have purchased one for a car that I bought from a private party. I have never had a dealership refuse to provide one (SW Ohio area)

Perhaps an unscrupulous dealer might refuse.

Saw it, I don't have it saved in outlook but I have the hard copy so here it goes:

VIN 1J4FA59S21P355702 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sahara

Date Mileage Source Comment

4/3/2001 12 Service Misc. service

8/9/2001 3444 Service Electrical serviced

10/30/2001 5929 Service Vehicle serviced

4/12/2002 5936 Service Vehicle serviced

9/15/2002 State of Michigan Registered as corporate vehicle

9/25/2002 5950 Dealer inventory Vehicle sold

9/27/2002 State of Michigan Title or registration issued; first owner reported title#181N270063

12/17/2002 State of Michigan Title issued or updated Correction to record #156N3510208

5/12/2003 14,695 Dealer Inventory, Vehicle offered for sale Utica, MI

5/12/2003 State of Michigan Title or registration issued, new owner reported title #602P132003 Macomb, MI

9/28/2004 35,050 Dealer Inventory Vehicle offered for sale Sterling Hgts, MI

9/28/2005 35143 Dealer Inventory Vehicle offered for sale PLymouth, MI

9/28/2004 Dealer Inventory Vehicle offered for sale Brighton, MI

11/2/2004 Auto Auction Sold at auction in Michigan, listed as a dealer vehicle

1/17/2005 Dealer Inventory Vehicle offered for sale PLymouth, MI

2/23/2005 Dealer Inventory Vehicle offered for sale Brighton, MI

2/23/2005 35165 State of Michigan Title issued or updated, new owner reported

Actually we didn't buy this one, this was a report I ordered last April on a TJ we were considering for the wifey. I'm guessing it was used as a dealer demo until it was sold to the first owner.

Anyway, you see in Michigan at least, title transfers do show up on Carfax reports.

proof!

----- Original Message ----- From: "L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 5:57 PM Subject: Re: Carfax worth it?

Here is the full report of the records you emailed to me for your 89 Ford:

DATE ODOMETER INFORMATION GENERAL REPORTED READING SOURCE COMMENTS

01/18/1991 44,892 California Passed emissions inspection Inspection Station San Diego, CA 01/18/1991 44,891 California Failed emissions inspection Inspection Station San Diego, CA 01/21/1993 46,970 California Passed emissions inspection Inspection Station San Diego, CA 02/06/1997 89,106 California Passed emissions inspection Inspection Station San Diego, CA 02/04/1999 113,338 California Passed emissions inspection Inspection Station Oceanside, CA >

Where is the title transfer on this report?

"Each title or registration record which appears on a Carfax report does not necessarily indicate a change in ownership. New titles and registrations can be created for name, address and lienholder changes; ownership changes; vehicle status changes; registration activity; title corrections; and lost titles. "

So it would seem a change in ownership should generate a record. Maybe California law is different. The carfax report I posted specifically indicated 3 owners for that particular Jeep, but I did not copy it to my post.

Send me a fax # and I will fax you the report from which I got the info I posted. I can't send you the original email, as I already told you I did not save it in Outlook, and it's no longer on the mailserver. I had to hand type all that info. If you have an open Carfax account, just plug in the VIN for the Jeep I posted about & see for yourself.

Went late saturday night, dealer got me the carfax.Was a 1 owner and was a lease vehicle. 1 minor accident (state of WI says minor accident is bumper/grille or body panel. No safety impacts to the vehicle.) The dealer couldn't tell me what was fixed on it. I told them that they would need to contact the previous owner and find out what happened. Within 5 minutes the owner of the dealership was leaving a message for the original owner to call him about the accident. Oddly enough, there were several title changes, and a warranty repair for the 4.0L maniforld debris shield. They told me they'd look the vehicle over again more closely after finding out about the accident.I told the dealer that until I knew what the accident was, I wouldn't be discussing $.