D-C might become just D and C.

I'm one of those old-timers that built a 461 Chevy engine, Nitrous, etc and put it in a Pontiac,

Bought an every option 1987 Buick Grand national, chip, no converter, etc and put in my garage and haven't driven it except Sundays for 30 miles a week since. I've had that 20 years now!

Then last month I read the Road & Track and Car & Driver tests. Went to my local dealer and bought a new Grand Cherokee SRT8. THAT puppy is MUCH, MUCH faster that either of the above two hot rods or a 1997 Corvette I had a few years. I live up high in the mountains of North Carolina and it is much better at screaming around these twisty mountain roads. All wheel drive 4 wheel power slides are new to me so I need lots more practice at it. I still can't believe it's a JEEP!

And I am not going to believe what those 285/40 VR20 run flat tires are gonna cost either!

And yes I do offroad in a 1999 Wrangler, lifted, ARB's, winch, etc. Love the seldom ever traveled ridge roads with it.

The road cars are great fun !

My Disco has the active air suspension which uses gyros to detect body roll and stiffen up air shocks on corners. It is unbelievalbly good, to the point that it doesn't feel like you are driving a truck at all, LR engineers said they could have made it corner almost totally flat but didn't to stop the twits going round corners too fast.

Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

As for off road, a Range Rover with ride height

Heh, I was waiting for an Earle reply there, Lon :-) A Linux Jeep would be totally stable and reliable, but you would have to fire it up first. After firing it up, you would have access to the man pages which would tell you how to fire it up. You would understand every word in the owners manual apart from the meaning, so you would have to get your neighbour to configure it for you. Even then, you would spend days wondering how you were meant to get the cup holders to work. Once you got it to work, you wouldn't be allowed to select reverse as you didn't have the right permissions.

Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

Actually, once you got it fired up you'd find out 50% of your options wouldn't work because the hardware wasn't supported yet. Six months and many frustrating configuration hours later you might be up to 75% supported.