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Unions began to help workers from being taken advantage of by robber-baron manufacturers, so the workers would get a fair wage and a fair share of benefits for the work they do. However, the last 30 year or so has seen labor unions redefine what is "fair" to "get everything you can and threaten to walk out on the job if you can't negotiate a contract to give a worker with a barely-earned high school diploma $27/hr to work on an assembly line tightening four bolts, four weeks vacation, and Mickey Mouse's birthday off." During the high times of the 90's, the manufacturers were happy to oblige without thinking long-term, and unfortunately in created a sense of entitlement to the union workers.

I live in Southeast Michigan, half the blue collar jobs are Big Three or OEM supplier assembly line jobs. A friend of mine worked for an OEM supplier a few years ago on the line, and when he started his union steward told him to go in the break room and watch TV when he finished his daily quota. Some days he actually worked on the line 3 hours during an 8-hour shift.

My bank manager is friends with a local Ford assembly plant manager, and he told her when he started at the plant, he had to put a stop to a group of line employees bringing in a barbecue grill every day into the plant, on the floor, making hamburgers and hot dogs and selling them to the other workers. Of course they complained to the union steward and the old manager looked the other way, but the new guy wasn't scared of the union.

The combination of management failures and union greed produced the current problems, and once GM or Ford is "shut down until the cows come home," will the union help all those people find new jobs? And who would want to hire a worker that is used to getting paid eight hours when he works for three?

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Matt Macchiarolo
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There is still a blacksmith shop down past my sister's place. They have more business than they can handle.

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billy ray

I'm not angry with the pensioners as long as I don't have to pay their pension. I've worked every bit as long and probably a lot harder than they have and the only pension I have is my savings.

Why do they think they should have a pension at my expense? They can take it out of Ford's or GM's hide for all I care, but I resent very much reducing my pension to pay for their's.

-- msosborn at msosborn dot com

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Matt Osborn

That $27/per hour doesn't include their benefit package which is probably worth that much or more on a per hour basis.

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"Total labor cost per hour for GM and Ford is now $65.90 an hour, including $35.36 in wages and $30.54 in benefits, health-care and retirement costs." UAW members are being asked to pay a pittance of the medical costs with their annual contribution about the same as a monthly charge for individually purchased coverage.

I am not sure where you got the $15K figure but if you compare that the auto companies want workers to pay about $700 per year on their insurance you see that their contribution is about 5% of its cost.

I have no anger toward retirees. I was stating the reality that companies are intent to break the unions and dump the retirement programs on the taxpayer. This is occurring in bankrupsy courts today within the auto and airline companies.

I agree with most of your comment about workers and employers both getting the treatment they deserve.

We had a GM assembly plant in a town nearby and I am well aware of the shenanigans on both sides. This tit-for-tat is probably one of the reasons the plant closed in addition to the plant mis-management.

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billy ray

One of my neighbors works at the Ford transmission plant. They recently got a 'day off' when water was found in the transmission fluid tanks they use for testing.

I asked how it would get in the fluid and his opinion (he is a union employee) was it was deliberate sabotage. Imagine the cost of the damaged transmissions alone not to mention sending home all the workers with pay until the tanks and lines could be purged, refilled, and heated..

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L.W.( ßill ) Hughes III

When my dad bought a new car in 2000 I suggested a Japanese model that fit what he was looking for that he was unable to find in an American auto company.

He told me that "it had only been 55 years and he hadn't gotten over WW-II yet."

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And he never will get over it. Neither did my granddad who fought in the Pacific including Okinawa. Any mention of the Japanese got him upset.

To each his own about which auto a person chooses to buy - it's a free country. And yes, I know there are parts under the hood from all over. But I respect him and his generation too much to buy an auto with a Japanese name-brand. But that's just me...

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Terry Jeffrey

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L.W.( ßill ) Hughes III

You're right Bill, we shouldn't buy any products from Saudi Arabia, since most of the hijackers came from there.

Terry's granddad did a great service, but remember that the US helped to rebuild Japan and Germany as well.

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Matt Macchiarolo

Ya' gotta' love our president. Lets hope we make it to January 20, 2008 intact...

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Scott in Baltimore

He was concerned when he saw I had Kumho tires. He was okay with it after I told them they made in Korea.... South Korean....... but then that was his second war.

Strangely enough my dad never had a problem with German equipment over the years .... perhaps that is because they were the best made or because of our German ancestry....

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billy ray

I have no problem with buying OPEC oil. I just want the US, Canada, et al to form a cartel of food exporting countries and peg the price of grain to a barrel of oil.

Turn about is fair play...

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billy ray

tell me how in hell you figure its bushs fault. i dont owe my failures or successes to bush or any other president. personal success is a _choice_ that each of us makes, just as failure in a choice. business success is primarily dictated by consumer demand. gm/ford are in trouble for multiple reasons, none of which can be laid at bushs feet. the american consumer is all to willing to throw money at cheap chinese crap, while the american union worker wants premium wages for mediocre work. if gm/ford want to compete against cheaper products, they had better be able to offer "more" which they dont. once upon a time it was a compromise to buy japanese. today more often than not its "smart money" to buy japanese.

why wouldnt we? bush going to bring america to a screeching halt?

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Nathan W. Collier

The Fraternal Order of Mammoth Handlers are desperately trying to hang on to a scant smattering of glories from a distant past. It's pathetic. They need to let go, move on, and join ranks with a much more 'today' cause, The Preservation Society for the Dances of Babylonia. _____________________________________________________________________

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"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."

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Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 > Well, I am still bummed out by the recent National Blacksmith Memorial

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twaldron

was a real pleasure to finally meet you. hopefully we can hit the trails around helena soon. im going to post some pics/video i took today a bit later.

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Nathan W. Collier

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L.W.( ßill ) Hughes III

Same here. Was good to meet you too. Anytime you come out this side of the state again, give me a call. You have a place to hang your hat at our house.

Bring family this spring and/or summer and we'll hit the mountain backcountry trails for some camping, Jeepin, ATVing, and sightseeing. We could show you around the area too, if you are still considering relocating.

I'm looking forward to viewing those pics.

Terry

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Terry Jeffrey

awesome, same back to you when youre down my way.

sounds like a plan. my slide-in camper rolls off the assembly line march

14th, anytime after that im ready!
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Nathan W. Collier

Yeah, its kinda sad that some of the veterans of ww2, korea, 'nam, etc. find it impossible to get over it and move on. On the other hand, there are some that may have even been victims of some pretty serious mistreatment that have since managed to meet and even make friends with former combatants on the other side. They do seem to live longer.

Granted if I ever get my hands on a certain sniper, I might greet them with a baseball bat before I spring for the first round of beers.

Terry Jeffrey proclaimed:

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